Episode 246
#246 - Interview music producer with Brennan Jasso
In a region where reggaeton reigns and the Latin music scene sets the tone. Brennan Jasso aka Brennan and the Sun dares to be different. Blending the glam edge of David Bowie with the sensual soul of Prince, and adding a vibrant dash of Latin spice. Brennan’s music carves its own lane in a landscape that rarely rewards creative risk.
This episode isn’t just about the music it’s about resistance. We talk about what it means to be an artist in South Florida. Where diversity in sound isn’t always embraced. Why some artists still choose to go their own way. Brennan shares how he’s creating without compromise. Honoring his roots while pushing sonic boundaries.
📲 Where to Find Brennan Jasso
🌐 Website: https://www.brennanjasso.com/
🎧 Work: Singer/songwriter – Brennan and the Sun. Also returning guest, check the first interview:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3cXRKJhP5wE8PjMjMhV0ft
📲 Social: Follow @brennanandthesun
Transcript
Interview with Brennan Jasso
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Dave: [:Brennan Jasso: Okay. Yeah.
Dave: and dude, it's one of the coolest cities I've been to. Like, I don't give a shit about the crime and all that crap. Like the music, the food, the ambiance. Just like, there's
Brennan Jasso: yeah,
Dave: so incredible about it, you know? And like you, always stuck in my head as like the artist that's very into details.
Like, you're very, you are, you're a very intricate artist. And like, that's like, okay, that's
Brennan Jasso: Well, thank you.
Dave: that's like, you know, com No, it's not
Brennan Jasso: That's nice.
Dave: like there are artists that like, are intricate
Brennan Jasso: nice.
Dave: shit, but like you're, you're, you've always been like a different level of that shit.
Brennan Jasso: Thank you. I mean, that's, thank you for the attention to detail. There we go. That's, that's that. That's my response though. That's very sweet of you to, to say. Yeah, I have my coffee here. Yeah,
Dave: I keep on forgetting, it's like.
Brennan Jasso: it'll be.
earlier by you, so it's like [:Brennan Jasso: Well, no, it's one 30, you know, it's, it's one 30 here, so, you know, like this is a, I just want more coffee. I'm a little bit of an addict, I have to say. Um, I have, I make my coffee in a little AeroPress. Have you heard of these?
Dave: No.
Brennan Jasso: Yeah. They're like, ama it's like great for traveling too. But you basically, you put the coffee in here and I do kind of like a mix of a drip method and the press method.
And so I just, I leave the coffee in, you know, I, I grind my coffee. I buy whole bean, only whole bean. I get like the darkest coffee possible. Um, I grind it, I put it in here. I mix it with the hot water. I, you know, I have my kettle. I don't use like microwaves or anything crazy. Some people microwave shit.
And it's like, no, that's not how you do things. Um, and so, you know, uh, I just let it drip for, I let it kind of like all drip out through the coffee, and then I put another bit of water all the way to the top and I put this, it's like a two piece thing that, and then you press it down. That's what I was doing.
e video, you'll see me like, [:Dave: Rus,
Brennan Jasso: Literally what I was just doing. So I am a coffee, um, lunatic. I'm, I'm an addict to coffee. Um, and I make pretty good coffee. I, I have, I have
Dave: you don't
Brennan Jasso: good sales.
Dave: You make good
Brennan Jasso: Good coffee. Good coffee. Yeah. I make good coffee. Yeah. Yeah. There's a reason I'm addicted.
Okay. It's very good. And how have you been?
Dave: I,
Brennan Jasso: Because you, you moved right? You just moved.
Dave: to Boca. I was living in Fort
Brennan Jasso: Okay.
Dave: Um, I'm planning on leaving at the end of the year. It seems like Colorado, but I'm not sure yet. Like I'm trying to keep my options open, but.
Brennan Jasso: You're going to move. I see.
Dave: a, you know, like, don't get me wrong, like,
Brennan Jasso: Are reef a refresh?
Dave: mean, Florida has been really good to me, but like I,
ize like, you know, there's, [:Like I feel like, for example, I grew up in Miami Beach all my life, and so like, I'm a Miami, a Miami guy. Um, and, uh, it's just, you know, there's, the venues all closed. Um, there's nowhere to play. Everything's a house show, cops show up, you know? Um, it's like a whole, it's a whole, uh. It's a, it's a negative cycle, unfortunately, because there is a, an industry in Miami, but it's Latin.
It's a Latin industry. Um, and then you have like the other people that seem to do well, that are not part of that industry are like the very heavy crowd, like, you know, like, kind of like, uh, hardcore and like more shoe gazy, hardcore stuff. Um, they, because, you know, we have the Prince of the Underground, um, uh, living there.
Uh, [:It was amazing. I mean, he, he's like a rock gremlin. He is scary. Um, he's perfect. Perfect. I, I love him.
Dave: just though crazy motherfucker. Okay? Right. People that are,
Brennan Jasso: Yeah,
Dave: that are not listening. All right. And don't know
Brennan Jasso: yeah,
Dave: is. All right. Iggy Pop is the OG the Stooges. All right. This is the motherfucker that has peed on his audience. vomited on his audience. He's cut himself in front of his audience and he has shot on stage times, just once,
Brennan Jasso: yeah,
's the type of person that's [:Brennan Jasso: yeah,
Dave: hasn't calmed
Brennan Jasso: yeah.
Dave: Like the cocaine has kind of
Brennan Jasso: No,
Dave: down a little.
Brennan Jasso: he's the same. Yeah,
Dave: same motherfucker from
Brennan Jasso: he's the same. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's amazing how he's, you know, he stayed true to himself and I think what he does for, like, for example, he gave a nod to Palomino Blonde. And not to say that's the only reason. That they're successful. But I mean, I think he was a huge help.
He played them on his, uh, his station on BBC. Uh, he had a, he has like a radio station where he gives, uh, you know, he shouts out artists and stuff like that. So, you know, he's listening. He's around, he's involved in the scene. I think he's an amazing example of what you want to be as an artist, you know, kind of like yourself and successful and, you know, giving back.
s the right attitude to have [:Dave: is. I, we, I think we talked about this before, I personally feel that when David Bowie died. There was, there was a death that happened because when David Bowie, don't know this, but when David Bowie was alive, he used to donate a lot of money into the art of sector, like specifically into schools, the prog projects in different communities.
ecayed. So you know, it. The [:Like everybody, let's move to Miami. 'cause you got the whole Latin EDM community. You got Iggy Pop, you got all this shit. That's what ha
Brennan Jasso: I will say the DJs of the EDM cats, they're doing, they're doing pretty well. I mean, I think even to the detri to the detriment of the local scene in Miami. Um, I don't live there anymore, so I can talk shit. Um, I just think, you know, uh, basically all I, I jumped, I jumped a whole, you're gonna have to come across the whole country to, to, you know, get up in my face about this.
ally. You know, contributing [:They're just like, you know what, whatever. And I don't even blame all of these, uh, business owners 'cause it's so expensive out there to have a place. And what they need are customers, you know, and Miami, unfortunately, people don't go to Miami to go to a local bar and check out music. They just don't, they go there to shake their ass and be on the beach and shake their ass on the beach, you know, and they want club music and they wanna party, they wanna do drugs, you know, um, that are not, you know, like, like chill drugs.
They wanna, they wanna be like having a crazy time. And there is that energy I think that people miss out on at local shows. But it's different. And I feel like, you know, Miami's in a weird place. Most definitely. And you know, I think one of the first things I noticed out here in LA for one, it's massive.
Dave: is.
m, but I think like the, the [:Like, like you, there's like the usual suspects, you know, out here, man, there's so many people. And the, the chance of running into the same person at two different shows a few weeks after is very little, very, very slight. Um,
Dave: I
Brennan Jasso: yeah,
Dave: with la I don't know if you experienced this yet, is the Go-Go dancing scene that exists in la So this is very unique to the West
Brennan Jasso: you'll have to, you'll have to recommend. You have to recommend, I haven't seen that.
Dave: they have this in West Hollywood and that area, like
Brennan Jasso: Uhhuh. Uhhuh. Yeah. Yeah.
Dave: kind of going towards, um, like Koreatown, like kind of going towards downtown Go-go dancers.
bs, and then they have these [:Brennan Jasso: Hmm.
Dave: looked like, it
Brennan Jasso: Okay.
Dave: stores, you know, like with the glass windows in the front, you know, like you gotta like a, like a regular, like
Brennan Jasso: Hmm.
Dave: you know?
And then it's just like then in the windows and you hear like,
Brennan Jasso: Dancing. Yeah.
Dave: the lights shining everywhere and you're like, what the, yeah. And it's like a specific like LA thing. And it was just like, there's so much shit. so there's that. And then there's another place like two blocks down that are doing a whole different thing that's going on there.
Like,
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: you to find that in places like Atlanta or Miami. doubt you're gonna find that. 'cause everything is
Brennan Jasso: Hmm. Yeah.
Dave: like you said, it's like,
, these like pockets of like [:But I spend like $7 a month. To go to, I get like free tickets to two or so shows a month. Um, you know, and I basically, they, I'm finding out about different venues. I'm finding artists. I mean, I think most of the shows I've gone to so far have been pretty cool, you know, and I've learned about some really interesting artists and, you know, uh, I live for that stuff.
is not that long. You really [:Um, but I'm, I'm liking, I'm liking the change. The weather's amazing. Like, you know, it's, it's hot still sometimes, but the nights are cool and the air is cool. Always. It's very different desert. More desert weather.
Dave: in your
Brennan Jasso: Yeah. It's more desert weather. Totally. Totally. And I, I, I love that. Honestly, personally, I really like that.
I didn't like sweating in Miami. Um, I'm not into the Miami Summer,
Dave: Oh no,
Brennan Jasso: um, probably, and it's like 10 months of the year like that.
Dave: It is.
Brennan Jasso: I like to say Miami has different shades of summer.
Dave: When we say shades, we mean different shades of heat. So it goes from like 98 to 99, then a hundred, then 101 and 102, and then goes back to 98. are the
Brennan Jasso: yeah. Yeah. And then we have two weeks of winter, we have two weeks of winter, and then it's summering.
d 'cause like I'm originally [:Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: in the sense where if you go into the city and you don't know locals, you're gonna go to all the touristy places. 'cause the way that they designed it is like a tourist. They figure out ways of getting you into the, and you'll know if you're in a tourist area. 'cause if you're in a non tourist area in New York, they're bitching at you. They're slurring, they're throwing shit at you. They're telling you to go fuck yourself in the ass. Like that's how you know you're in a nont tourist area.
ur stupid Yamaha guitar? You [:Brennan Jasso: Yeah, I mean, I, I I, I've been to New York, uh, a few times, but I've, I've never really, like, I feel like you, when you live somewhere, you really pick up on different things. Um, but I've, you know, I've, I've definitely heard that it's like, it's very cutthroat in New York. Um, but you know how I've, how I've, uh, broken it down, it's like, you know, like I compare it to Miami, for example, 'cause I grew up there because yeah, like now I'm out here and it's West coast versus East Coast, which I hear there is like East Coast, they're a little less friendly, like West Coast.
Everyone out here super friendly, you know, like, maybe they won't be your friends for life, but they'll have a chat with you, you know, you'll approach them in a bar and you'll just chat and it's say they're friendly and I don't mind. That's fine. You know, I don't need like a new lifelong friend. I just want to talk sometimes too.
, why are you talking to me? [:It's very much like that.
Dave: that, to be honest. Like
Brennan Jasso: Yeah. Because it's that east coast, because New Yorkers. But the thing is, I feel like people stay that New Yorkers, you know, you dig in and they're really kind people. Once you get through that really horrible wall of like,
Dave: thick,
Brennan Jasso: Hey, fuck you, fuck face, get the fuck out of the street.
You know?
Dave: thick. Yeah.
Brennan Jasso: But once you get through that, they're like good people. And like, you know, they love community and they care and they just have this harsh exterior. But I guess my joke is like, in Miami, people have this harsh exterior. You dig through that.
Dave: It's just shallow.
Brennan Jasso: It's not great.
Dave: an empty
Brennan Jasso: just worse. It just gets worse.
Dave: you know, you're watching Shrek instead of
Brennan Jasso: It's an empty onion.
Yeah.
Dave: empty. You know? It's just a hollow dome. You're like,
made that song. Yeah. Yeah. [:Dave: It's,
Brennan Jasso: so, yeah.
Dave: it's kind
Brennan Jasso: Hmm.
Dave: plague in its effect, and it's not just like we've been. Talking just back and forth, like communities that we know. But this has basically riddled a lot of communities across the United States in the sense we are, if we're talking about the artist, if we're talking about the underground scene, whether we realize this or not, we all love entertainment.
We all love different forms of entertainment. Like don't know how many people that cannot put up their hand right now and say that they hate practically every single movie that's been coming out, every single song that's been coming, like it's just boring. It's
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: vanilla ice all over baby. Like, nah, nah, nah.
Brennan Jasso: hmm.
Dave: Okay. I
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: vanilla.
of it is, uh, that for one, [:Dave: I.
Brennan Jasso: you know? And like, so these major companies that used to make millions and billions of dollars, you know, off of direct sales, now they have to deal with a fraction of that in streaming, right?
And so, you know, now it's just impossible for a major label to, in the case of music, sorry, um,
Dave: you're okay.
Brennan Jasso: burp there. My bad. Um, in the case of a major label, you know, like before they were selling, you know, merch and CDs and, and stuff like that, you know, and now it's like, then it became like really only merch is what you're selling to people because, and, and you know, now, uh, things like Live Nation and math and, uh, Ticketmaster.
, the last money that people [:Maybe not just as much, but in the sense that like, you know, these big CEOs, for example, that are making hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Maybe that's the problem. Maybe you shouldn't be paying people that much money for this company isn't worth what it used to be. And, but they're dinosaurs, man.
These, like Universal, for example, they're a major company. You know, how are you gonna tell them that they have to stop existing? You know, they're gonna be like, nah. And they're gonna try everything they can to make sure that that doesn't happen. But in the end, the, there's no money. There's no money, there's really no money.
Dave: part though is with
Brennan Jasso: Hmm.
Dave: pricing, you know, like I've been following along like
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
his venues to be cheaper by [:Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: like, I'm gonna be honest, you know, it's crazy. You know where it costs
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: sometimes even like two to $300. And you know what, like, I get it like people need to be making money. But like at the same time, have we not forgotten, parents or family members that talked about going to AC CDC concerts talked about gonna Metallica seeing Black Sabbath when they were teenagers and had no money.
ke money in a system that is [:And,
Dave: much
Brennan Jasso: you know, you don't need, you could livestream. Yeah, we work too much. Um, I think we're not making enough money and every day those doll, that dollar is being devalued right now, every day. So it's like, you know, most people are really, really struggling. And these big businesses, uh, they just are taking advantage, honestly.
Like Ticketmaster Live Nation. Fuck you guys. Honestly, fuck you guys. I mean, I don't, I, maybe one day I'll regret saying that in a podcast, but you know, you guys are evil. You're honestly evil people. Um, you're, you're taking advantage of some of the most vulnerable people, which is like musicians. I, I, I think a huge problem.
ster is doing and stuff like [:Of course you're not, you're a musician. You know, it's like, but it's like, yes. But it used to be way more than now. Like now, there's really no money even for successful musicians that like, you know, I've seen the story about a girl that she got a million or 50 million plays or something like that, like millions on one song, and she made like, you know, a few thousand dollars and then that was the only song that really took off.
And now she's like, she can, she still needs another job. Like, like success in Numbers is improving successful. Which is like, it, it's like kind of like a, it doesn't make sense. Um, but wait, okay, so now, yeah. And, but let, let me now shut on Spotify. Well, not should, I'm gonna just bring, I'm gonna.
Dave: sinking. We're
Brennan Jasso: We're gonna talk about what
Dave: Okay. Yes. Let's do it.
Brennan Jasso: we're gonna talk about, what Spotify is doing.
ne, it was already messed up [:And they found out that what Spotify was doing is they were, um, because their playlists were so successful, right? And they used to be curated by people on their team to find artists to, you know, basically get artists to be heard by other people. And they would mix them with already successful artists.
And they were a great way to be discovered on Spotify because people, uh, would save those playlists and listen to them all the time and find new artists by saving them. Right? And so it basically, they realized that there's a business here and we can take advantage of that. And so what they started to do is, uh, they started to basically create music.
h, for all the rights of the [:All right. And then they would, they, so Spotify would have a shell company pay for that, right? And then they own the rights. And Spotify is in Colludes with this like shadow corporation or little company that, uh, is recording these songs. And then they would put those songs. They would tell the people that were curating the playlist, you have to put this song in your playlist.
at is, uh, taken to the next [:So now there's no artist recording the music, the music, the fake music that they're, you know, proliferating on their, on their playlist. Now they're just going straight and using AI to make those songs. So there's no artist involved. There's no real music involved. It's just machines and money. And a lot of their playlist listers that didn't like this, they got fired or they quit because they refused to put to do this.
And so they would just hire people that would do it. You know, you just get rid of the ones that say no. And you get a new person that's like, yes, boss, you know, even easier. It's like they don't even really have to think, they just kinda, you know, curate the playlist and update it with whatever Spotify is saying they have to update it with.
that is the definition of a [:I think it's 'cause they're all old. They don't even get it. It's like what? I still listen to vinyl. I still listen to CDs or whatever the, like, you know, I don't, I, I, my grandson loves a Spotify, uh, subscription or whatever. I don't know what they think, but it's like that. How is that
Dave: It's insane.
Brennan Jasso: How is that legal?
Dave: And it's also delusional.
Brennan Jasso: It's a racket.
n Anchor, which is basically [:Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: that means that they could take your content future down the road then reproduce it for
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: want to reproduce it. I said, fuck this shit. I got off of there. I now use Captivate, which is locally owned and operated
Brennan Jasso: Mm-hmm.
Dave: the uk. Uh, they're my RSS host
Brennan Jasso: nice,
Dave: um,
Brennan Jasso: nice.
ing advantage of podcasters. [:Brennan Jasso: everybody, I mean, I,
Dave: make money.
Brennan Jasso: yeah. Yeah.
Dave: easy.
Brennan Jasso: Yeah. Yeah. I, I think, uh, I think there's a lot of over like underside and oversight. I guess it's both. It's just like people not looking and people kind of looking over what it seems to be a completely, you know, unfair system. Um, I think the art people like us that have to deal with it.
No, but you know, like how do we get the general population to give a shit? Because for them they're paying $15, you know what I mean? Like, they're paying the $15 and that's going to Spotify and they just want their content, you know, to, to a consumer. How do you explain the unfairness? It's like, well, I'm paying, you know, I'm paying for it, or I have to hear ads, like it's not my fault and it's not the consumer's fault.
It really is, you know, you [:And I think there's the lack of money throughout all of that. Um, are you good?
Dave: it's just smoke smoker lungs.
Brennan Jasso: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. Good. Zoom tight. Um, no, no, you're good. You're good. But I, I think, I think that kind of, I was, I was starting to trail off, so It's okay. Um, that actually brings me back. It's just like, you know, it's unfair. I don't, I don't know how else to clear it other than it's unfair.
atest example of this, where [: , because it used to be, you [:To the music. And you were just kind of like, you were owned by these, by these labels, right? And, but then, right, you would do that, and if you were good, you would make a lot of money. The label would make a lot of money, and you would become famous. It was like clean, clean. Like if you're doing, if you know what you're doing and you're a good artist, like Led Zeppelin too, you know, actually they're a very rare version.
I don't know if you saw that. There's a new movie about them called Becoming Led Zeppelin on Netflix. I highly recommend. It was very, very good. Um, but, you know, I didn't know fully, and I've read books about the and stuff. I'm, I'm, I was a huge discipline nerd in, uh, in, uh, high school. Like crazy. I loved their music.
wrote the, their first album [:But we own the rights to the music, so they're one of the first. You know, bands from back then to own their own music, but like, you know, that was not common and more common than not, someone would shark you in. Um, because you think about it, the music business, it started as a con artist thing. You know, it's like musicians never really needed managers, you know, really, like, they kind of do, but it's like, it, it started with someone being like, you know what, there's money here.
by. You know, it's like, um, [:Nowadays what happens is you get this 360 deal, right? And they only give you that deal if you already have millions of people watching you on TikTok or whatever, and you're like taking off on a, on a social media app, and they don't wanna give you any money except to maybe record the music. Maybe go on a tour, but you are liable for all of that money.
And then you go on tour and you know, you have all of these fees and all, you know, especially with Live Nation and, and, and Ticket Pass. So you have all these fees on top of, of playing there that, uh, your, your, the people that go have to pay. And that brings down the amount of people that want to go. And then also you have to sometimes cut in a piece of your merch.
taking off on social media, [:Um, depending on who, who signed, you know, like what did you sign? Did you sign your name or did you sign, like, did you sell yourself or did you sell your, your artist, your artist profile, you know, kind of thing. Uh, because if you sold yourself, for example, like you're basically kind of their puppet forever and they can put you, they could do whatever they want with you or do nothing with you ever, and you're basically there, you know, they, they, you're theirs.
Um, and so I think, uh, I think people need more, yeah, people need more understanding of what they're signing. Um, but I think a lot of that, the reason people sign now without really thinking about what they're doing is because it used to mean so much more when you signed. And now it doesn't mean a goddamn thing.
ally giving away the rights. [:I would wanna own everything. I want it to be mine. Like, I, I, there's a freedom to just making what I want, like, I don't care.
Dave: There's also, there's
Brennan Jasso: yeah.
Dave: level of freedom where when you're able to make your own music, when you're able to be your own artist and you're, know, I think the greatest example of this is like Pink Floyd. Right. You know? When is it? Is it John Waters? I'm trying to remember. Uh,
Brennan Jasso: Roger Waters.
Dave: Thank you. When he
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: and he explains the journey that he went through and when they were creating Pink Floyd and the music that they made. 'cause let's be honest, like, you know, some of the Pink Floyd albums are a little hard to listen to. I own some of them.
Brennan Jasso: [:Dave: Oh
Brennan Jasso: crack this on and, you know, and have a nice, a nice thought. Yeah.
Dave: I think, I think though, that is the beauty of Pink Floyd, it was, they weren't trying to be famous. They weren't trying to be a part of a movement. They were just being Pink Floyd. And I think we, we forget that a lot these days is that some of the artists that we met, remember some of those that you know, like even John Long Foot Lightfoot, long Foot, I never can remember his name. Like people like.
Brennan Jasso: Grab my water.
Dave: It just,
Brennan Jasso: I'm right here. Just grabbing my water.
is memorable. I think that's [:Brennan Jasso: Yeah,
Dave: lives a lot of the times, you know?
Brennan Jasso: yeah, yeah. They make us, music is what makes us who we are a lot of the times. It's a huge, integral part of our own personal identification of who we are.
Dave: That's, that's the story of my life. I'm on highway. Way to hell.
Brennan Jasso: Damn. Sorry. Yeah. And every time you're on, uh, on I 95, that's what you're thinking.
Dave: every time I gotta put it on, I have a Mustang, so like, I gotta put it on like, you know, like
Brennan Jasso: Oh
Dave: blast.
Brennan Jasso: Yeah, you gotta pull, you gotta put down the windows and go full blast. Uh,
Dave: yeah,
Brennan Jasso: in uh, three mile, three mile per hour, uh, ba you know, wheel bumper traffic,
Dave: by
Brennan Jasso: you know,
Dave: don't understand this. Like this is,
Brennan Jasso: 90 degree heat.
Dave: other hour. So like in South Florida,
Brennan Jasso: Yeah, yeah,
Dave: like [:Brennan Jasso: yeah,
Dave: Like holy shit,
Brennan Jasso: yeah,
Dave: shit. You know, you're like crunching down on those breaks and then like 20 minutes later it's fine.
Brennan Jasso: yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, it's also very aggressive, so like, moving out here, I, I, I do drive out here. I shipped out my car when I moved. Yeah. It's crazy. But, you know, people are not as ag like, there, there, there's. Assholes everywhere. All right. There are nasty drivers everywhere, but it's not like Miami because I grew up there and people are, people are scary.
ut to hit them and they keep [:They're just like, oh, okay. I don't care. You know? Hit me, come on, do it. Or, you know, get in my way. Sure.
Dave: joke.
Brennan Jasso: I think in California have noticed people are more,
Dave: shocking.
Brennan Jasso: like, when I honk, when someone's about to cut me off, they go back. They're like, oh, I'm so sorry. You know, I never would see that in Miami. You know, I always expected to just do it anyways while you're honking.
You know, they're just like, ah.
Dave: over Miami any day. Like I, listen, I'll take New York Miami.
Brennan Jasso: That's New York driving is scary. Uh, it's different. It's block to block traffic.
Dave: and especially when you're on the inner, like the thing about like the parkways and like the
Brennan Jasso: Mm,
Dave: state parkway, like is no slowing down. Okay. There's none of this bullshit of like figuring out where you're getting off the left.
Like, no, no. You do that shit, you're getting in an
Brennan Jasso: yeah.
Dave: and like, I joke about this shit.
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
a and you put them in Boston [:Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: the middle or the left lane and you're going 40 miles an hour, they're not slowing down. They got great insurance, okay? They know how to scam the auto insurance companies over there. So they got great insurance. They're not afraid of you. They'll slam right in there. They're like, I need a new Honda Civic anyway, like. Oh my God. It's just like, man, the fucking, like the culture. I'm serious. Like the whole story of the Florida man, like Gator country, all that shit. Like I thought that was all myth. And then I move out here and I'm like,
Brennan Jasso: No,
Dave: people live
Brennan Jasso: even worse.
Dave: Land. Okay. Like they live
Brennan Jasso: I mean,
Dave: Gotham City. They live in another reality.
ad their face eaten in Miami [:You will find any sort of crazy mishap in Miami. I think I, I don't know if it's just the heat. It makes people crazy. Um, it's also got like this whole vice, the Gators, it's got this vice city, you know, background. And I think that's never really gotten out. You know, it's always had this, like, this mythology of being like a lawless place where anything goes.
It's like just shy of Las Vegas kind of sin city vibe. Um, just shy of it. It's, it's uh, you know, it's just more la I would say even more Latinos than, than Las Vegas, you know, even though I'm sure it's full. I've been a couple times. I know it's full of, uh, Latinos too, but
Dave: I
Brennan Jasso: you know.
y over South Florida is like [:Brennan Jasso: Hmm.
Dave: Vegas. It's actually one of the largest hubs
Brennan Jasso: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah.
Dave: like, I've never been to Las Vegas with the people I've met and the people that I've spoken to and the things that I've seen. It is very respectful out there. It's like everybody has their warehouse, they have their cameras. There's no kids. You know, if like school is out, like nobody's taking out any naked bullshit. Like everybody's respectful, you know? And I kind of appreciate that too. 'cause like, hey man, we're all adults, right?
We all got needs and
Brennan Jasso: Yeah,
Dave: But at the same time,
Brennan Jasso: I'm just working. Yeah,
Dave: Like there's, there's kids
Brennan Jasso: yeah,
Dave: around the streets. All right, we're not gonna take out any of the plastic dolls from Tokyo. Okay? I'm gonna leave them in the station
Brennan Jasso: yeah,
Dave: the back, you know? Leave it for later.
Brennan Jasso: yeah.
Dave: I
Brennan Jasso: Yeah. My pillows, my, my, uh, body pillows. Stay at home. Okay. Yeah.
Dave: How many [:Brennan Jasso: Two too many,
Dave: know,
Brennan Jasso: too many. Yeah.
Dave: And they keep coming.
Brennan Jasso: Who needs, who needs a bed anymore? You know? You just sleep on body pillows.
Dave: Oh my God. No, but you know what though? Like I, I get it. It's like, no, it's no shit or anything. It's like being able to find your community because I think that's something that gets lost a lot of the times is being able to collaborate. You know, like you said, it's weird.
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: these organizations that are taking advantage of people anyway, right? So if the only thing
Brennan Jasso: Mm-hmm.
Dave: is people, is people, you know, 'cause like it's just humans against machine at this point. Doesn't it make more sense if we kind of ban together instead of like doing it on our own? know? 'cause I feel like the more we try to
Brennan Jasso: Yeah,
Dave: separate, [:Brennan Jasso: I really, yeah, I, I think that's the most important thing. Um, something that I always, you know, took pride in and was always, you know, something that I thought, but especially when I was in the local scene in Miami, is, you know, we bring each other up. Like, you gotta support the people that are doing the thing around you because, you know, it's only together that you guys build something.
If everyone is kind of infighting and, you know, trying to be better than everyone and, you know, not really building something, it's like you're, you're screwed, man. You're screwed. You can't do it on your own. Especially not without, like, it's all about money. It's all about money, and it's all about power.
ed a song, uh, well, I. Leah [:Dave: talking about it.
Brennan Jasso: I recorded it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was really fun, you know, and I love, I love working with Leah.
Leah's amazing, honestly. Um, she's a, she's a, she's a gold, she's a golden human being. Yeah, totally.
Dave: gonna say this earlier, you and her, like the prime example of this, okay? Like, I'm not trying to put myself on a pedestal. How many podcasters do you know are viciously going out and trying to find? Independent underground indie artist. Like I've seen a lot of podcasters around in my sector that don't do the shit that I do. And it's like they're all running
Brennan Jasso: Mm-hmm.
you're so used to being like [:Brennan Jasso: Thank you.
Dave: Small. You just gotta survive. You
Brennan Jasso: bye.
Dave: figure out how to make it work. Like if
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: it over fucking
Brennan Jasso: Yeah,
Dave: it over fucking zoom. I don't, I don't care.
Brennan Jasso: yeah. Yeah. I mean, how that happened was I actually didn't know I was going to move when I first, uh, started working. Like Leah and I had agreed we wanted to work on it. Yeah, yeah. Actually, like, uh, uh, ba basically an opportunity popped. I was trying to move and I was trying to find a place out here, and an opportunity popped up outta nowhere that basically took me off guard.
And, you know, I had like two and a half months to get ready. And so, you know, it was just like, uh, it was insane because, uh, you know, I basically, I told Leah and I was like, what do you wanna do? She was like, come over. We'll record me and, you know, we'll just, we'll just do it, you know? And it was a really lovely experience.
ke, uh, and did some backups [: through:Um, and, you know, I, I record, I had, I lived in this really nice house in Miami. Um. And it was, uh, you know, we had high ceilings in the, in the living room. And so I recorded everything at home. So I think for me, I love, I, I love folk and I love acoustic music, but I love capturing like, the essence of a place.
s house because it gave me a [:Dave: on.
Brennan Jasso: Bubu,
Dave: Okay. If you like, dude. She had all the candles on from like the staircase to like the, like by the time like the lights went off, like her background was
Brennan Jasso: you, you know?
Dave: flame essence glow and up, and I'm just like sitting
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: just like,
Brennan Jasso: Her home is lovely, honestly, and, and her and her new new husband. Uh, congrats Leah, if you're listening. Um, but, uh, I mean, they're such nice people and, you know, they, it just, it was a very comfortable time, you know? And so basically Leah, you know, after that, uh, we recorded everything. She was super happy with what we captured.
ght? Like, so one day, like, [:So I'm like, all right, you know, I pull out the mic and I record myself in my little, I I live in a little studio, which I'd show you if it wasn't a total complete fucking mess right now, but I don't want you to see. Um, and, and so, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a messy bed. Unmade bed. Um, I ha I was just recording something, so there's two mics just hanging out in the middle of my, you know, it's a mess here.
good. Um, I, I can't really [:Um, I just have learned to give myself the space to, you know, just do it, you know, on a weekend, you know, like if I, like right now, before we did this, I was like writing a song, you know, and it's like, I just felt like it, you know? And, uh, and I'm working on. Some, well, it's not really top secret because, uh, I guess I can talk about this.
Um, I'm working on what I think will be my fifth album. So what's crazy about that is that I just, uh, I'm, I'm almost done recording my third album, which I will also mix and master. Um, it's called Nebula and it, I think it sounds great. It's very different from everything else I've, I've released so far. A lot more mature, I think.
Dave: something
Brennan Jasso: Um,
Dave: You're gonna notice that uh, Brennan is
Brennan Jasso: yeah.
Dave: celestial. Very up,
Brennan Jasso: Oh,
Dave: up in the
Brennan Jasso: you. Yeah.
th the naming and the design [:Brennan Jasso: Thank you.
Dave: really loves stars in the universe. And you do, you do like, and I think it's really
Brennan Jasso: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Dave: cool about
Brennan Jasso: Thank you. Oh yeah, totally. I mean, I think, uh, there's so much to outer space and you know, it's really where we come from and the end of the day, you know, we, we are, as Carl Sagan would say, I'm, I'm a Sagan night. I love Carl Sagan.
Dave: I don't.
Brennan Jasso: Um, he would say, we are a space dust, or we're made, I don't know if that's a direct quote.
e chasing after this idyllic [:Um, I grew up listening to a lot of Davenger Banhart and Animal Collective,
Dave: go up
Brennan Jasso: um, and, and fleet Foxes.
Dave: San Bernardino. There's like, uh, if you go up in
Brennan Jasso: Hmm.
Dave: they have like more of like the mountain trails and the stuff is
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: people do not understand this. And I remember that.
Brennan Jasso: Yeah. It's very city.
Dave: It's like one place is a city. The next minute you're in a forest.
The next second you're in the desert, and then the next
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: in snow.
Brennan Jasso: You got everything here and then the beach is over. You know, you got a couple beaches too. You have all, yeah. Every, every part of nature is like a few 30 minutes away from each other. Yeah,
Dave: It
Brennan Jasso: yeah,
Dave: sense.
Brennan Jasso: yeah, yeah. It is very true. Uh, I still have, I still have to break into the local nature scene and, you know, it's just time.
for example. 'cause there's [:Um, and so, you know, it's like, uh, yeah. So, yeah. You know, I I really do hope to explore that part soon too, you know. But I think my biggest thing has been I just get recommendations from people, uh, or online. And I love going to restaurants. Um, the, the, the, the food scene out here is amazing. Um, it really is.
Oh, oh. But I, you know, I, I realized I kind of cut myself off there because, uh, I was going to fi finalize that thought. Um, that, so I'm technically, I have a fourth album in, in the works as well that I'm also writing. But that one is like, like heavy and dark rock, very intense. Um. Uh, completely different from the other, you know, from my third album and also very different from this fifth album that I'm working on.
is processing this. So it's [:Brennan Jasso: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. White Heat. I think it is White Heat, yeah.
Dave: Is it like from like, you know, we got like development underground Nico, like for the third album and then we kind,
Brennan Jasso: In a way. Yeah.
Dave: like the second album, which was just like, yeah,
Brennan Jasso: In, in a way. I am kind of like, I love the concept of duality and I like, I think that, you know, everything, everyone thing is too, and I think my duality is, you know, I am very chipper and sweet and kind, but I also, you know, I brooded, I'm very broody. I'm, I'm actually a quarter Irish. So I have that darkness of the, of the old tiny, you know, uh, yeah, yeah.
sinister, uh, very like, uh, [:Um, but uh, this new one is all acoustic. And so I really wanna make another acoustic album very similar to the vibe of my first album in a sense, but just like a lot more grown up. Um, and, you know, I wanna make it. You know, as natural sounding as possible, acoustic stuff, I'm, I'm starting to consider, uh, arranging some strains for it so I can record maybe a little, you know, a quartet or something while I, you know, uh, to, to add some, some depth to things so it doesn't feel too simple.
her ideas. I love strings in [:Um, and I have like the first demo versions of a couple of songs kind of just sitting there. Um, and, uh, you know, and I'm gonna be updating it as I go.
Dave: Jesus.
Brennan Jasso: Um, I think that's the benefit of no one listening really. You know, it's like I have very few listeners, like I, I get, I get, I get some listeners on, on SoundCloud.
I will say that that algorithm works a lot better for me. But, you know, compared to, especially compared to Spotify, which is like, man, like they, no one, they're not trying to get you discovered. Like unless you kind of like break through somehow on social media, no one's gonna find you on Spotify. You know, like you gotta do the work yourself.
Yeah.
t's primarily because of the [:Brennan Jasso: Wow.
Dave: And
Brennan Jasso: Wow. Yeah,
Dave: not like trying to put any hate, like I know that they use an algorithm and they do all that shit, but that's what they do.
They limit like us because we're unique. We have. At least like originality, like holy shit. Like I cannot even believe that's something that you have to even say, know, like you're original, you
Brennan Jasso: yeah,
Dave: ai, you're not some like fucking universal productions Warner
Brennan Jasso: yeah,
Dave: sandwich,
Brennan Jasso: yeah.
Dave: you know?
Brennan Jasso: You're not a shill.
Dave: Yeah, exactly.
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: that,
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: in itself is threatening because that means
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: longer in control. And like we were saying, like, you know, you're dealing with people that dying out. They're old, they know they don't wanna lose their position. They don't know what the hell is going on.
They, [:Brennan Jasso: Yeah. Yeah.
Dave: my apologies,
Brennan Jasso: they need a, they, they have a, they need a bigger yacht, you know,
Dave: a much bigger yacht.
Brennan Jasso: their last yacht.
Dave: Three
Brennan Jasso: Yeah. Their last yacht
Dave: three floors.
Brennan Jasso: they went to, to the yacht, the yacht club. And this guy was talking about his three story yacht. They, they have to buy a four story yacht. I mean, are you kidding me? What? Are they supposed to go back to the yacht club with the same yacht?
Ridiculous. I mean, who is really suffering them,
Dave: of course,
Brennan Jasso: course,
Dave: Who else is suffering?
Brennan Jasso: in their two story yacht. I mean, what, what are they supposed to do with only two stories? You can't even have a billiards room with a two story yacht. Can you believe that? You need at least a third story to, to fit a billiards room, you know, unacceptable.
willing to let them take all [:Dave: in with a
Brennan Jasso: I, that's, that's what, that's why I, that's why I wake up in the morning. It's like, you know, how am I gonna get Danny Eck richer? How am I gonna get him, you know, how am I gonna make daddy happy and so that he can, you know, buy himself nice things.
Um, it's like the, it's like the reverse parental support, you know? It's like, you know, I'm paying, I'm paying support to, to daddy.
Dave: it's,
Brennan Jasso: Um
Dave: if you look at, even on the real estate side of it, right? 'cause I've met people like this, you know, you'll have those
Brennan Jasso: mm-hmm.
. Are you open to maybe some [:It's like, well,
Brennan Jasso: Well, that's, that's the developers in Miami, let me just say that. You know, like that's literally, they are just, they're throwing up buildings that are sinking at a incredibly fast rate just because. You know, they're gonna turn a profit very quick.
Dave: stupid,
Brennan Jasso: so, you know, it's, uh, well,
Dave: and it's,
Brennan Jasso: stupid or genius. What can I say?
I mean, who's, who's stupid if they're winning,
Dave: and they're big, they're
Brennan Jasso: I don't know.
e luxury apartment complexes [:Brennan Jasso: Mm-hmm.
Dave: Most of them,
Brennan Jasso: They're empty. They're empty. And they're getting emptier because of Trump, because of Trump, because of his policies, because of the, because of ice. All this shit that's going on. I mean, I'm in LA man, they're kidnapping people off the street every day. Um. And that's gonna start happening in Miami. I think.
I'm really sorry to say, I think that they're cracking down Miami. Uh, they just voted to allow, um, police to, uh, you know, basically cooperate with ICE and that they are an arm of ice. Same thing with state police. So it's like,
Dave: By the way,
Brennan Jasso: it's common, man. Whatever's coming. It's coming.
Dave: you know, a lot of people think like, oh my God, like majority of people are here illegal. are a lot of people that are illegal, but believe it. Or like I've lived down here and a lot of people that I've met that have immigrated here, they're legal. Some of them are waiting for their paper, like some of
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: green card or in the process or whatever.
f 'em already completed that [:Brennan Jasso: And that,
Dave: Yeah.
Brennan Jasso: yeah. And that those are the people that are going after. I mean, I think, sorry to start talking politics, but I think like, you know, I don't even think this is politics. This is human. These are human rights. They're human rights. This is not politics. You know, it's like these people, they wanted to do this shock and awe campaign showing hundreds of thousands of, of illegal immigrants getting removed and then they realized they couldn't do it because there, there are no records on these people.
So how do they find them? Where are they? You know, so okay, let's just go to Home Depot and just like pick apart from the ones that are there, you know, if they're brown, you know, shut it down. Literally. Literally that's what they're doing. And you know, they're just like picking up brown people. That's what they're doing.
They're just looking around or hearing an accent or hearing you speak Spanish and they're like, where are you from? You know? Um, that's racism and that is technically illegal. It's discrimination. And um,
on't look. We've had a Latin [:Brennan Jasso: actually longer than, longer than there's been a country, there was Mexico.
Dave: and the fact also like the amount that we've gotten within the media industry, like for example with film, television, music that's come from the Latin community is insane. at the same time, it's like I am an American and I come from an immigrant family. I know a lot of immigrants, a lot of the people I know are here legally. Like even people that come from Cuba, a lot of them are here legally. They have legal papers.
Brennan Jasso: Yeah. Yeah,
Dave: look,
Brennan Jasso: yeah.
Dave: cases my dad remembers people that came over here when they had the whole, um, fiasco after Escobar was killed in Columbia.
like. I'm not, you know, in [:Like every country's like that. But like at the same
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: like, don't treat
Brennan Jasso: It's expensive.
Dave: it,
Brennan Jasso: Yeah, it's expensive to become legal and, and you know what else, like what's scary and I, what I was getting to is that what they started to do, because they couldn't get the numbers from getting illegal people, you know, that were criminals, which is what they said they were gonna do.
Now they're going after all, all brown people so that they can find the ones that are illegal and they're going after legal immigrants that are working towards becoming legal. You know, they are documented, they are documented people. If you have a, an immigration hearing, you're technically documented.
r. He's an, he is, you know, [:Let me just say that. Um, not, not for, uh, prolonged periods of time. I have seen him shed his skin though, I'm pretty sure. Um, I mean, you know, it's funny. Yeah, exactly. They were talking about lizard people. Well now they're, we just voted them in the lizard. People are in the office, man.
Dave: that's
Brennan Jasso: Um,
Dave: I say this as like a libertarian. It's one of those where you have to be able to like shift your mind in politics, right? Where we both know how important like all these communities have been for America. Like what has been able to shape the United States. It's not just the Latin community, it's the Asian community, it's the Jewish community, it's the black
Brennan Jasso: what is America? What is America? Man? It's immigrants.
Dave: community.
Brennan Jasso: Immigrants.
ether over hundreds of years [:Brennan Jasso: It's on purpose, man.
Dave: purpose.
Brennan Jasso: purpose.
Dave: fucking crazy
Brennan Jasso: Yeah. They want us to separate, they want us to have these little squabbles about social issues so that we don't consider the fact that they're taking away our rights or reducing them, or, you know, taking away, uh, like funding for, uh, healthcare or childcare or city, uh, you know, ordinances, like building roads and like Yeah, exactly.
think, I think it's been in [:Dave: it's
Brennan Jasso: much,
Dave: and I don't think this is a conservative problem. What I think it
Brennan Jasso: yeah.
Dave: to do with really greedy corporate people, whether liberal or conservative, have figured out a way
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: the system for a plethora of amount of years, and they figured out a way that if you divide people and you separate and you segregate, okay, we didn't get rid of Jim Crow, we didn't get rid of segregation laws in the country.
We just rewrote them. Okay? What do you call Pittsburgh? What do you call the shit that's going on in New York City right now? Like this is textbook segregation in in its finest. And like you were talking earlier, a great example of that also segregation of like literally separating the artist and then replacing them with machines.
ctual human being. It's like [:Brennan Jasso: Well, they, they've taking humans outta Yeah. They're taking humans out of the equation completely. Yeah. Um, I, I will, I will push back that. I do still blame conservatives because it's conservatives, because they call 'em conservatives. But to be a conservative in America really means that you're socially conservative, but you're fiscally liberal.
Right. Which means that your idea of a free market and capitalism being free, un reigned by, you know, by the government, that is more important than anything. So it's really cons, the conservative mind, that conservative mindset that has put us in the place where capitalists are able to basically run everything.
see it, it's like I. He, he [:They were like, you know, oh, we're pro equity, we're pro equality. You know, everyone should get paid fairly. Yes, yes, yes. We care about society. You know, and Obama thought, I think maybe deep down, I don't know if all of it was about money, but I think he truly thought that, you know, it was in corporation's best interest to protect democracy and, you know, liberal, a, a more liberal democracy where people could.
you know, it benefits these [:They're like, they're like people trading stocks, you know, right before, uh, collapse because they know that the president is gonna change this law or that law or, or incorporate this new, you know, executive orders that should be illegal. How can you say that, you know, someone with insider information. In, in Congress.
It's like it's supposed to, like Martha Stewart went to jail for that shit. But you know, you've got, uh, people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, and even Steven Miller making millions of dollars off of their insider information. And it's fine because they are the insider,
Dave: Well,
Brennan Jasso: you know? So they're in, they're still inside that it's okay.
It's like, what?
to be able to have somebody [:Brennan Jasso: Yeah. Yeah. Totally. There is a, there's a huge thing to that. I always thought, like, when people would criticize Obama or Biden or, or they loved Obama or Biden, it's like, it's the team. It's like they have a team of people. It's, it's not like the, the president does everything. He tells people to do stuff and then they do it.
You know, he talks to people, you know? That's it.
Dave: when you get
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: like for example, like you get somebody like RFK, which for example, I grew up in New York and I remember when this was before I was born, but this was kind of a thing when I was growing up.
You know, they basically poisoned our water supply like 40 years and they didn't tell
Brennan Jasso: Mm
Dave: And then he blew
Brennan Jasso: mm
Dave: like off the
Brennan Jasso: Wow.
Dave: So then, then he had to like make it a public thing. It was on
Brennan Jasso: Mm.
Dave: and then we were all told as this, as a kid
Brennan Jasso: Wow. Yeah.
e blew the lid on that crap. [:Brennan Jasso: Yeah,
Dave: a little bit of normalcy. Just slightly just, just, just enough. Just enough. Taste of the Manuka honey, you know, from ear one for $129. It's a little taste.
, I thought the No Kings Pro [:There is no silent majority, you know? Um, there's just a very loud minority. I think most people are good. People are more liberal minded people that don't really care if someone is gay or, you know, if they're trans or that you know, that like, you know what their ethnicity is. They just wanna live a safe, affordable life, happy with the people that they love.
That's pretty much what everybody wants, and most people don't think that they get that by bringing other people down,
Dave: and
Brennan Jasso: you know? And by mistreating people,
Dave: know what the,
Brennan Jasso: you know.
rans community. Like I, I've [:Brennan Jasso: How does it like, are Yeah. Like how does it affect you? But I mean, that's part of the whole thing because we were talking about divisions, like that's one of the main, you know, it makes certain people uncomfortable. And conservatives really is mostly conservatives, even though there are also, there are also, uh, people on the Democrat
Dave: most real trans
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: of the most respectful people you will ever meet. They're
Brennan Jasso: Oh, totally.
Dave: they're not,
nt us separate us and divide [:All of us, and, you know, fucking us in, you know, in the back, stabbing us in the back, fucking and stabbing us in the back. That's a way worse. You know, it's like someone stabs you and then fucks you from behind. It's like, that's what I feel like a lot of, uh, um, politicians are doing right now, and they're benefiting from it at the same time.
They're getting paid to stab you and fuck you in the back. Um, and.
Dave: there. The libertarian slogan is, don't tread on me. And that line is the like example, like being stabbed in the back. It's like, Hey, listen, motherfucker, tread on me. It's like I drew the line, you know? And my mentality on this crap is simple as this is like if I live in a community, is a place that I live.
, I will fight you tooth and [:Brennan Jasso: Uh,
Dave: again, my mentality is, is that we live in a place that is a melting pot. We should be focused on our communities, the places that we are living, the stuff that inspires us, the stuff that makes us feel alive as individuals. All this other shit can go out the door. I don't give a I, you know what? The more you start questioning and analyzing people, less you get to enjoy being around other people. That feels very
Brennan Jasso: yeah.
Dave: to be honest.
eautiful idea for a country, [:Um, and you know, I think those are huge hallmarks of what America is supposed to be, you know, and through education and through time we've learned that the people that originally started this country, what they thought determined personhood was not necessarily accurate. And everyone's a person, everyone's a human being.
Everyone has the same level of authority and, and, uh, should have the same level of authority over their own lives and, you know, um, should not be persecuted. And, you know, I think. We're losing. We've lost a lot of that sense, unfortunately. Um, but maybe it was never there. Maybe this is just the best we've got so far.
the worst, I think. I think, [:And I think then they realized their money started going stop making money. Like, no, no, no, we gotta bring back these, uh, crazy, uh, lunatics. And actually now they make, uh, mark Zuckerberg admitted it, that they're making fake people, bots themselves, uh, AI bots to, uh, become part of the social media landscape.
And his, his thinking is like, everyone needs 15 friends. That's the, that's how, that's how many people we, we need in our lives to keep us like, you know.
Dave: I,
Brennan Jasso: Interacting with their platform.
Dave: I don't
Brennan Jasso: how, what a coincidence. And so there's, they're just, there's, they're inserting people that aren't real. What, sorry?
Dave: relationships with people. That's the thing. You know, I don't think it's about. Qua, I think it's it's quality over quantity.
antity. Yeah. Yeah, totally. [:Dave: mean,
Brennan Jasso: Um, and so,
Dave: wife, so what do you want from him? And he makes hot babies, so.
Brennan Jasso: well, no, I don't know. I've heard, I've heard some stuff, you know, maybe they're not so close anymore. Um, but who knows? Uh,
Dave: Zuck.
Brennan Jasso: don't know. So there's some speculation that that's why he's going maga he's going MAGA mark, which is what people from, from Facebook internally are calling him MAGA mark Now.
Dave: you know
Brennan Jasso: Um.
Dave: a lot of libertarians, including myself, like we get labeled as MAGA for some very strange reason. 'cause people think like the second you put liberty in front of something, like, oh my God, you're one of the, and I'm like, listen man, I come from a place of logic.
Okay. Like I come from a place like as if it's in my 20 mile radius. Got you. Anywhere outside of there, care. Like, I don't give a damn what? Like seriously, I don't give a damn what happened in Atlanta. If like Atlanta burned down tomorrow, I don't give a shit. live in Atlanta. It's not my problem.
Brennan Jasso: [:Dave: What?
Brennan Jasso: but I, I guess the, um, no, I lost train of thought. Uh, but maybe we should get off politics. Uh
Dave: I think it's important
Brennan Jasso: uh
Dave: because it does tie in to, especially with artistry, right? Because a lot of,
Brennan Jasso: well, artists inherently political.
Dave: yeah, a
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: the times. But I think it's also has to do with,
Brennan Jasso: Yeah. Maybe not club music, but
Dave: that's a whole different story.
Brennan Jasso: maybe not club music that,
ally great way of knowing an [:Like if it's politics, it's politics. You know, if it's comic books, it's comic books, you know, if it's about outer space, down outer space, I think all of those things is what makes you, you, you know what I mean? And like, I think me and you, we agree on a lot of things, not only just as artists, and I think that like, just showcases being open, not closed, being open, being aware, being okay with being vulnerable.
These are, these are really, really important things to have.
Brennan Jasso: Well, yeah, I mean, it's been a nice time chatting with you, so you know, thank you again for having me. This is great. Second time.
Dave: My pleasure, my man. question for you like we did the last time. Um, I know you got your website, you got all your stuff. That's everything that's on there.
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: media, where can everybody, uh, where can these people find you?
Brennan Jasso: I. [:And, um, there's gonna be more, um, who knows what it'll end up being. Uh, so, you know, I'm gonna be around, um, and I'm gonna keep making music. I hope I can work with Leah again soon. You know, we're already talking about, oh, maybe there's something new, you know, so, you know, I'm very happy about how the song Hello Claire came out and so, you know, thanks so much.
Um, so, you know, I'm, I'm gonna keep writing, I'm gonna keep working on stuff,
Dave: I think that's a,
Brennan Jasso: so yeah, I'm gonna be around.
ere doing some music also in [:Brennan Jasso: I am Mexican, so, you know.
Dave: I thought that was like really amazing. 'cause like, it,
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: felt like a little ancient, it felt like a little modern, it felt a little like meditative at the same time. You know, I, I think that's the best thing, honestly, just to keep on going. Just try to throw as much creativity as you possibly can. And a lot of times, you know, you, you do land on the gold mine. Be able to find like the balance
Brennan Jasso: Oh, well, I, I think unfortunately the gold mine now in music, uh, it's very questionable if there's any gold there. Um, but you know, I, I guess I'm, I haven't been doing it for the money. Oh, thank you. But I, I haven't been doing it for the money ever, and I'm, you know, if money ever comes from it, I'm gonna be very happy.
But, you know, I make music and art because that's what I have to be doing.
Dave: Yeah,
Brennan Jasso: other real reason. And, you know, if people like it, people like it.
you know, that just feeling [:I know it's crazy because like rent, like money pays for rent and groceries and all that bullshit,
Brennan Jasso: Oh, yeah. In a lot of ways. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah. I'm lucky I have a job, you know, but Yeah.
Dave: I'm looking.
Brennan Jasso: Yeah. I'm lucky. I mean, I think as musicians need jobs nowadays, like there's no money. Very hard. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
Dave: true, man. Like I'm right now working my way into the automotive industry, like, you know, you just gotta be able to figure out
Brennan Jasso: Mm-hmm.
Dave: to be able to balance that stuff. And you know what, sometimes if you need to balance it, you gotta balance it. It's just one of the many obstacles that get thrown at you.
Brennan Jasso: Yeah,
Dave: Yeah,
Brennan Jasso: totally. I think we, we were all just doing the best we can.
me. Oh my God, it's been too [:Brennan Jasso: Me,
Dave: it was like been
Brennan Jasso: it's been a minute,
Dave: since the last time we did this.
Brennan Jasso: it's been two years. It's been two years. 20, 23 is when I released all those singles, and I think that's when I talked to you,
Dave: it came out in November, if I'm not mistaken, or sometime around there.
Brennan Jasso: Mm-hmm. I'm somewhere around then. Mm-hmm. I think so.
Dave: thank you so much for coming on and
Brennan Jasso: Yeah.
Dave: share it. And again, to anybody out there if you want, check out. Hello, Claire. It is a fantastic song. It is. It's amazing.
Brennan Jasso: you.
Dave: Um, but anyway, it,
Brennan Jasso: Congrats, Leah.
Dave: Leah. Oh my God, she's a fucking legend.
I hope she like,
Brennan Jasso: I, she's amazing. Amazing.
Dave: like on the very, like, just, we're gonna be alive to see
Brennan Jasso: Me too, man.
Dave: to God. Like universe, you hear me?
Brennan Jasso: I hope so. I hope so.
Dave: Uh,
Brennan Jasso: You're putting it out there. I.
Dave: trying.
Brennan Jasso: Well, thank, thank you for having me. Honestly. Honestly, it's my pleasure.
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