#245 - Interview with podcaster Anonymous Andrew

Anonymous Andrew: People in AA when you travel, we, we build like friendships and, and whatever. So I have a lot of, uh, friends in that area, Boyton Beach and Delray Beach in the program. But that doesn't mean that's, you know, I'm, I, it's, that's a, even for me, it's a little high for my pay grade, uh, my retirement fund. Yeah. I, I don't know where I'm gonna actually land, but that's the area, general area.

So

Dave: It's,

Anonymous Andrew: even be just Miami, you know.

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Anonymous Andrew: Mm-hmm.

Dave: two minutes later you can hear ba

Anonymous Andrew: Yep.

Dave: fuck

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah.

Dave: four

Anonymous Andrew: No, he's not offending me. I, and I'm like you, I I, I was born and bred here. I was born in Manhattan and I was, I grew up on Long Island, and, uh, I did, I did a little stint out west. My dad was drafted into the Vietnam War back in the seventies or early sixties, late sixties, seventies. So we did a, the family had to go over there for a couple years while he did his, but he didn't go to war, but he was stationed in Fort Chuca, Arizona.

ther the Florida humidity or [: 00:02:00

I'm, I'm a New Yorker and, and you know, but New York is not what it used to be, and it's changing and it's expensive and,

Dave: I know, and it's,

Anonymous Andrew: no, I'm,

Dave: it's crazy, man, because we, we come from a place that's got so many years of and

Anonymous Andrew: oh, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Dave: and

Anonymous Andrew: Mm-hmm.

Dave: and television stars and I mean the, just the amount of sh like, man, you know what comes back to me all the time is goddamn taxi. You know, Danny DeVito a TV show that

Anonymous Andrew: Oh yeah.

same time it kind of stings. [: 00:03:00

Anonymous Andrew: The politicians didn't give a shit.

Dave: Sorry. The politicians didn't give a shit.

Anonymous Andrew: There's, there's a lot of people here that are trying to make New York. You know what, and I'm not really big on politics in my podcast world, so I, I try

Dave: am

Anonymous Andrew: to stay away. Yeah. I try to stay away from it. I don't talk politics, so, but I, I'll just say this, after nine 11.

That's when you, you everybody banded together. All the American flags came out and everybody was like, oh, no, no, no. And you know, that lasted a couple years until, until about maybe 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 years. And then it seems like a whole new generation came up and they, and they didn't even know about nine 11.

There were kids walking [: 00:04:00

So,

Dave: No, you know what it,

Anonymous Andrew: 'cause I'm not gonna be here.

Dave: no, it's true. And the thing about it is, right, like politics aside, what we're talking about is communities. We're talking about a place where you've had these communities that have been growing for many, many, many, many, many. I mean, for Christ's sakes, there's literally a place called Greenwich Village.

Anonymous Andrew: Mm-hmm.

most historical houses still [: 00:05:00

Anonymous Andrew: Yep. Mm-hmm.

Dave: you know, there's that, you know, there's a lot of bad, and you know, man, quote unquote, that have done a lot of horrible shit. it's also about the heart. It's where, what comes after this. Because now what's happening is if all of these people are leaving and going other places, is that New York is at its home base, right? Or is it now no longer at home base? It's now outsourced. You know, it's in

Anonymous Andrew: I,

Dave: places across the

on this one is the weather. [: 00:06:00

Like, I would like the people who go to Florida for the winter and come back for the, because we like, we don't like the cold. So, but we're getting, like this year alone, we're getting robbed of our summer. Today was the first day, it was above 80 degrees. The last eight weekends in a row in New York, it has been raining and cold and damp, and it is already the third week in June.

So we're like getting robbed of our summer. And I live six blocks from the beach and I haven't been to the beach yet today. I just got back from pickleball and I'd, I'd be at the beach tomorrow, but I got two recording, two podcast recordings tomorrow. The bottom line of what I'm getting at is that even the weather has changed up in New York and, and there's no one to point the finger at, except of course the people are going to, you know, point the finger at global warming.

Dave: of

now, like, so, uh, whatever. [: 00:07:00

Dave: and completely, completely forgetting the fact. Like, so for me, I've been living down here for South Florida for about three years, um, currently in school and thinking of relocating to Colorado. And, um, when you, when you deal with places that are in higher elevation, specifically like above sea level, especially like Rocky Mountains, kind of that. You get used to a very different environment. And I try explaining this to people, especially people out here in South Florida. Like they have zero understanding of what cold is. I mean, 'cause they live in Paradise 365 days a year.

Anonymous Andrew: a year, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Dave: they, they don't understand what it is like for people, like even living out in the, like we're talking about Colorado.

Like even, for example, people living out in Aspen where you got

Anonymous Andrew: What,

Dave: inches of smell outside your freaking door.

Anonymous Andrew: what's drawing you to Colorado?

Um, primarily culture right [: 00:08:00

Anonymous Andrew: Okay.

Dave: like a libertarian and a hippie at heart, and I'm in the automotive industry and I'm like trying to find my place, you know, like

Anonymous Andrew: Because there's some of that in Arizona and New Mexico, so you, which is not that cold. So, but I'm just, I, I just hate to see you.

Dave: I, I know where you're coming from, man. well for me it's primarily because I'm in the, the German automotive industry. Um, we're gonna be working for BMW,

Anonymous Andrew: Gotcha. Okay.

Dave: the west coast, like Midwest west coast right now is having a little bit of a search. I'm kind of like one of those that's like, you know, like one of those gold miners, like, you know, let me, lemme jump on the bandwagon.

Let me see what's

Anonymous Andrew: You gotta follow the money, man.

Dave: Yeah,

nt and the podcasting, which [: 00:09:00

But that's not, I, I can't live off that right now, and I, so I gotta follow the money. The money is in New York right now. That's where you get the, so I'm an IT guy. I, I'm, that's my day job. I'm an IT director. I will not get paid the same salary that I'm getting paid here, that I will get paid in Florida doing the same job,

Dave: No.

Anonymous Andrew: not even close.

So, yeah, so that's kind of why I'm stuck here.

oking for, what I can offer. [: 00:10:00

Anonymous Andrew: Yep.

Dave: I hate that fit man.

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah, no, I'm stuck here until I, and, and, well, I'm looking, I, I got my LinkedIn and I got a bunch of other things and I got some, uh, some family down there looking for work for me, but the, the salaries that I'm seeing coming in for the same type of work that I'm doing are 6 25, 30, 40% less than what I'm making now.

And I'm like, I can't live on that, you know, not comfortably. Anyway, so.

ing paid every single, every [: 00:11:00

Anonymous Andrew: Dave, if I had any idea what I was getting myself into three years ago, so I, I'll break it down real quickly. So three years ago, I came out of a, a heartbreak relationship. Like she broke my heart, cheated on me, blah, blah, blah. And at the time it was serious. It was really bad. I, it took this man down to his knees and I was down and out for like three to six months depressed.

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So it kind of just said, Hey, I need to go on and, and tell my story. So I, I did like what a lot of people do. I jumped on Amazon and I said, gimme a podcast kit. You know, you go pick me one of those, one of those, one of those. And next day I had this thing in my, in front of me. And, and that's, that was three years ago.

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Um,

Dave: We need special effects for anybody that's watching this, please.

Anonymous Andrew: yeah, I, there's a way to turn it off, but every, every recording I do, I,

Dave: love

Anonymous Andrew: um, you need a team of people. And I have a day like you. I'm, I'm guessing you have a day job working in the automotive industry. You gotta come home. Yeah, I gotta race home at 6, 6, 6 o'clock at night, eat something if I can to have a six 30 recording.

I have four months of recordings booked in the can, like, I mean, recorded already in the can and. That's just for one podcast. So tomorrow, like I have three recordings all day for the second podcast and blah, blah, blah. I, I could give you a whole lineup of, of like, I'm so booked and overbooked

Dave: I

Anonymous Andrew: and I'm starting to now get advertising.

had to hire a few people. I [: 00:14:00

And I didn't understand what went on behind the podcast. I thought putting up a microphone and going to Apple and uploading it and saying, done it. No, it's not how it works. No,

Dave: No,

Anonymous Andrew: not none of you wanna succeed. I mean, if you wanna just throw something up there. Sure. But if you want to be heard and be seen and get sponsorship and be on the top 500 or top 100 or get listed somewhere, no, you, you gotta, you gotta work at it.

it as a hostile environment. [: 00:15:00

Anonymous Andrew: So earlier today, and I'm gonna let the audience know a little bit behind the scenes of what goes on in podcasting. So Dave emailed me this morning just to confirm right, for our, our three o'clock.

Dave: Mm-hmm.

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And sometimes they will give you what, whatever, uh, list that they would like you to. Uh, I can't think of the word. You gave me a list. You said, please don't, please come with a pair of headphones and please, you know, have a microphone and have a desktop. And, and I have the same thing. So in my, in my calendar booking, when, when I have guest book so they can self book, it says, please do not use a cell phone.

Please show up with headphones. Please come up with a microphone. That's why when I answered you, I was so happy that you, you said that. And I, and I was so proud to answer you saying, Hey Dave, I got you covered because I got all of that. Because a lot of the guests and, and in some of the. Podcasts that, the episodes that I do, there's some guests that come on that aren't professionals.

hey don't have the hardware, [: 00:17:00

Dave: even the software and the stuff that comes about, like even the basic things, man, like, you know this, like, can you up change your microphone? do you mean menu on the top? What menu? The one

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah,

Dave: o

Anonymous Andrew: no,

Dave: your own voice and you're like, just, just follow my,

Anonymous Andrew: no.

Dave: no.

Anonymous Andrew: And, and then when you record and you go to edit later, you have all these issues with your voice is clear. Like, like mine will be nice and loud. My guest will be. Somewhere like off in the distance. And it's, and, and the only thing I will say thank God to, and I'm not gonna give them props, so I'm not gonna mention the platform I use, which I told you who I use because we're having a lot of problems with them.

an AI filter, which you can [: 00:18:00

Um, and I feel like some of us independent, like our US Indie. I consider us indie podcasts, right?

Dave: podcasters.

Anonymous Andrew: to deal with this crap. I want a stu. I would love a Joe, Joe Rogan studio. I would love a studio where I can go in and I have professional equipment and my guests and I can be sitting across each other and have a conversation and not have to deal with these problems, but

Dave: Yeah. But, but the thing is, man, here's the deal. Like people don't get this. Joe Rogan, when he started his podcast, he was rich. You know, this man

Anonymous Andrew: Oh, it was over to a celebrity. Yeah.

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Anonymous Andrew: No.

Dave: just call up some producer right now to fix my problems,

Anonymous Andrew: No.

Dave: It's just not, it's

Anonymous Andrew: And, and if you could, you're gonna pay it outta your pocket. Because in the beginning there was a lot that I wanted help with. I so, like I said before, it's very easy to record a podcast and Spotify or, or depending on whatever platform, like I have an iMac, I use GarageBand. But what, whatever. What, okay, good.

wever you promote it. 'cause [: 00:20:00

Dave: Yeah,

Anonymous Andrew: Oh, you need, right.

You, you could be YouTube. Exactly. It could be Twitch, it could be

Dave: There's a lot

Anonymous Andrew: you need

Dave: I.

Anonymous Andrew: help, you need some, a team of people to help you. I don't have, thank God for chat, GBT. It came along just at the right time because now I can just throw in some artwork in there and I could just say, Hey, chat JBT, this is what I need in the next three hours.

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Dave: there was a

Anonymous Andrew: You know,

Dave: miscommunication back and forth, like 'cause of language and

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Dave: yeah, yeah.

Anonymous Andrew: And, and I,

Dave: of stuff.

Anonymous Andrew: ended up finding a, a, a woman who was a single mom down in, in Louisiana who, uh, was looking for extra money. And she happened to be a graphic artist and we worked out a deal, but I had to shell this money outta my own pocket because, uh, I needed someone to put together these, these promos for me.

And, and while she did a great job, this was, if you're gonna go into podcasting, you be, you, you are gonna have some sort of a, a bank, bank account with something in it. Take out a small loan, you're gonna need it if you really, unless you have no no day job and you have enough time on your schedule to sit there from morning and night to work on cover art and promos and, and, uh, editing.

a little fried right now, so [: 00:22:00

Dave: I, I've been, I've been working on my podcast since, since the morning, man. I,

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah, I started at nine o'clock this morning. Yep.

Dave: I, I've, I'm up to, I've scheduled out six episodes so far,

Anonymous Andrew: Mm-hmm.

Dave: I've just done the audio. I haven't even done the video yet. I

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah. See? Yep.

Dave: and right now what time it is, it's, uh.

Anonymous Andrew: And, and I, I thought I had my, so I have an episode ready to drop tomorrow morning at 6:00 AM for one of my other shows. And my co-host emailed me at like 10 o'clock this morning. She goes, you have the wrong episode number on the cover art. And that was my, uh, yeah. And, and I'm like, I don't have time.

BT, because obviously I fed, [: 00:23:00

So that has been since fixed. Anyway, the bottom line is podcasting is not, if people looking to get into it, it's not easy.

Dave: no, it's not.

Anonymous Andrew: It's a, it's a passion. It's, what is that, what's that word? Uh, love of, love of, of, um, uh, pa, passion of, uh,

Dave: Um, passion,

Anonymous Andrew: you know what?

Dave: the arts. Um, oh,

Anonymous Andrew: Labor of love. That's what I'm looking of. LA labor of love.

Dave: You know what though, I like this because it's kind of giving an insider of like what goes behind to making podcasts like these, I think that to your point, even about a labor of love. Like, the reason why I do this, and I'm, I'm sure you have your reasoning too, is is a love to this.

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Anonymous Andrew: Oh. If it wasn't for my podcast that I started three years ago, so the first one I started was about dating and relationships because of the bad relationship that I had just come out of. I was, I was ready to jump off a bridge. I was seriously suicidal. And if it wasn't for my sponsor and, uh, to, to the folks that we said at the beginning, I'm in recovery.

So I, I have a good support system surrounding me. And if it wasn't for them, that pushed me into, into, like, you, you, you are gonna, you're gonna be okay. You, you know, like, because I put a lot of weight into, I, I have codependency issues. When you're an alcoholic or an addict, you, you tend to be codependent as well.

Dave: Mm-hmm.

rew: when this woman cheated [: 00:25:00

Your guests that you can invite on can be psychiatrists and psychologists and coaches and life coach, you know, and,

Dave: And

Anonymous Andrew: uh, psyche. Yeah. That's funny you mentioned that. 'cause I happen to be a tarot card reader. They, but they. Can come on and you can interview them and they will, believe it or not, I had a woman on the other night from, um, uh, ask Women.

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I got every week I got a free coach. Come on my podcast and tell me how to, I have a dating podcast, which is tells men and women how to go out and navigate today's modern dating culture. And I have free advice every week as in the form of a guest, right? So I don't, I don't need to pay for psychology anymore.

Dave: and especially when you're making a dating podcast, look, it's one of those podcasts that are hit or miss, which means it

Anonymous Andrew: Correct.

Dave: as being too fake, or it either comes off as being bl like blunt and to the point and honest, right? Because how

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah.

Dave: are you supposed to make a dating podcast? You can't just be like, hey, let's no, get

Anonymous Andrew: No,

Dave: point.

Anonymous Andrew: yeah,

Dave: So. [: 00:27:00

Anonymous Andrew: no,

Dave: you. You gotta have that.

Anonymous Andrew: the, the world of dating has changed dramatically. Dave, I don't know how old you are, but I can take a wild guess

Dave: 26.

ing@match.com, eHarmony, all [: 00:28:00

We didn't have any of that shit.

Dave: when I

Anonymous Andrew: You wanted to date a woman, you had to go up and ask her out, and you had to like follow up and then go home and call her and hope that her father didn't answer the phone.

Dave: know.

Anonymous Andrew: You know? And so, Hey, can I speak to Jennifer? And, and he would be like, who's the, who's on? Who's this?

You know? And, and so you had to get through the dad firewall before you get to talk today. You don't have that, right? You could, you could pick up the phone. And so the woman that you, that you meet anywhere, you, if, I don't know whether you're on the beach, you meet somebody, you get her phone number, you go home and text her that night, whatever.

You don't have to deal with that. The whole different world today, people don't see the difference from what many of. Us and, and I'm gonna put myself because I'm, I'm in the older generation. What we went through years ago was so much easier than it is today. Today there's an overwhelming majority of people who had the fear.

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Uh, what's the word? She, I, there was somebody that came on the other day. It was FOBO. It was fear of better, fear of better options. Fear of better. I have a better option than what I'm dating now. Why? Because Bumble tells me that I have a hundred other men who like me. So I'm dating this guy. He's cute and he's got a decent job and he is, he's got a nice car, but I could probably do better.

of, um, FOBO, fear of I can [: 00:30:00

Dave: Yeah,

Anonymous Andrew: killing the dating industry. It really is.

Dave: it's, um, I mean, it's weird for me, right? Because I am young, but at the same time, like I, I grew up in a, in a Jewish cult in New York, and I left when I was about

Anonymous Andrew: Seriously,

Dave: Hmm.

Anonymous Andrew: you were in a cult.

Dave: I was in the Jewish cult. I was the one that was in Muncie.

Anonymous Andrew: Alright, I have to get you on my own. Do you have a cult podcast, Dave? I, one of my podcasts is ultimatum. It's all about cults. I, we'll talk after, oh God.

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Anonymous Andrew: you had help, you had you in, in your generation just, and I'm just, and I, I I'm hetero, but I, but I'm gay friendly. You had help. You have Grindr, you have, I, I just looked up all the d all the, all the gay dating apps. Uh, you got Scruff. I mean, I don't have to read 'em all off, you know what they are,

Dave: There's a lot.

years ago that were in the [: 00:32:00

They, they dressed a certain way or they looked a certain way, or they didn't have a girlfriend for the prom. And there was a rumor that, I mean, tell, tell me, did, did you have a rough high school, grammar school?

Dave: I mean, it wasn't easy. I mean, I was still trying to figure out who I was. And the thing is, like, growing up in that environment, you, it's so taboo. It's so like in the form of

Anonymous Andrew: Right?

Dave: you don't talk about it. So

Anonymous Andrew: don't talk about it.

Dave: and then being bullied and being called faggot and being called Lady Boy and all this shit, and like you're confusing your own head and you're like, why are people calling me this?

Am I this? Am I that? You know It does something to your mind where you, you don't know where you fit. It's like, do I fit here? Do I fit here, or do I go here? Where, where the hell do I go?

Anonymous Andrew: [: 00:33:00

Dave: Mm-hmm.

Anonymous Andrew: on this week. Okay. He went down there for that

Dave: They

Anonymous Andrew: to support his friends.

Dave: Yeah, they have one in Wilton Manors. Um, they have, it's a amazing, they have pride parades all over the country, and some of them, especially like the ones in Wilton Manors, are kind of geared towards getting back towards the community.

Anonymous Andrew: Is it up towards Tampa?

Dave: So Tampa would be on the west coast. Wilton Manors is in Broward County, so it's like going down from Boca, going towards Miami.

Anonymous Andrew: Okay. 'cause I just know he, last night he took a plane from JFK to Tampa and he's going this week to a gay pride parade in Tampa or the general.

over the state. I mean, it's [: 00:34:00

Like you can find an app that fits even down to your, even like your own fetish. Like I kid you not, there's probably one out there just for

Anonymous Andrew: Oh, I, there is, trust me,

Dave: yeah.

Anonymous Andrew: seen them.

Dave: So. You then like enter into a world, right? Where for your case, you grow up in one environment or if you start exploring, you start to see different types of people.

Okay? So then you kind of get an idea of your dating. You start maybe dating people in other places to then in a generation now where somebody could literally sit their ass on a freaking couch and be in like City out of all places

Anonymous Andrew: Mm-hmm.

Dave: this gal from [: 00:35:00

Anonymous Andrew: Yep.

Dave: that's like

Anonymous Andrew: Oh, I,

Dave: years, 30 years of history between those two realities.

Anonymous Andrew: Oh, and, and, and I had a guy on my show not too long ago about it, maybe, I don't know, a year ago, that he was trying to get men to come on to the, uh, so Ukraine got what, whatever, the war with Putin and whatever's going on over there. They're what? A lot of the women are fleeing Ukraine, and so they're going at the Poland.

So some guy got smart and he wants to get the women outta Poland. So he created a website. He wants American men to go over and SS save the Ukrainian women and bring them to America and marry them. Uh, some wacky thing he's got going on, and I, I shouldn't say wacky, he was a guest on my podcast,

Dave: He, he

Anonymous Andrew: the.

Dave: he might, he might be in, in Verman Supreme's, you know, political, like presidential cabinet. wouldn't be surprised.

Anonymous Andrew: All I [: 00:36:00

Dave: Oh

Anonymous Andrew: Now they're, they're now, they're staying there. They're going to Tokyo, they're going to, to, uh, the Philippines, and then they live there. They're, they're giving up America tr whatever. This again, let's not get into politics, but

Dave: No,

Anonymous Andrew: this guy Trump in the office, what he's doing.

Dave: you know? Classy. A little gritty

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah, we'll try to keep it. He, but he's driving people out of the country and they are going, so I even thought about it.

I, for a [: 00:37:00

But I could go there and live in Portugal, get out of America. And the money that I have now will go a lot further in Portugal. So I, I gave it some thought. I, and,

Dave: know

Anonymous Andrew: but

Dave: I have Portuguese citizenship,

Anonymous Andrew: there you go.

Dave: so,

Anonymous Andrew: that because your parents,

Dave: well, it's because of Sephardic ancestry. So my

Anonymous Andrew: okay.

Dave: were ones that were

Anonymous Andrew: I.

Dave: the Inquisition and back then it was a part of Spain, but now it's a part of Portugal. So I didn't fall under the, the Spain's, you know, uh, heritage

Anonymous Andrew: Yep.

uguese pa like look, I'm one [: 00:38:00

'cause if like shit hits the wall, I'm out. Like, I'm going online, booking that flight to Lisbon. I'm checking up apartments, I'm out. You know, I'm not trying

Anonymous Andrew: Let me tell you something.

Dave: or an apocalyptic per, just like

Anonymous Andrew: This shit is gonna hit the wall, so just be prepared. We got two more years of this guy. So, uh, is three, maybe he's photographer. He just got into office. But yeah, go to Portugal, man. It's a beautiful country and I, I, I'm, I'm giving it some thought myself. If either that or Costa Rica, I'd like to go down to Costa Rica.

That's a beautiful country. Um, I got some family down there.

Dave: what I've [: 00:39:00

Anonymous Andrew: Say again?

Dave: I heard Costa Rican women are gorgeous. You know, from what I've heard, I'm

Anonymous Andrew: I, I, I wouldn't know 'cause I haven't been able, I haven't had the pleasure, but I do have family that lives there and they've invited me to come down there, so, and I, I happen to have a, a thing for Latinas, so, um,

Dave: Same, even though I'm not Latino. Some, sometimes I wish I was Latino, but Just Middle

Anonymous Andrew: no.

Dave: Nope. what you get. That's it. Plain and simple. I,

Anonymous Andrew: So when you say you have a thing for Latina, you mean Latino men?

Dave: yeah, of course.

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah, of course. Okay.

Dave: Okay.

Anonymous Andrew: Just clear, just clarifying that.

Dave: Listen, we gotta go deeper down into the Amazon. Okay. Like, we gotta go, we gotta go a little native. All right,

Anonymous Andrew: Okay. Yeah. Okay.

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Anonymous Andrew: Lemme ask you a question.

Dave: Yeah.

Anonymous Andrew: So before I came on, I did obviously, which a lot of podcasts you should do. If you're a guest on somebody else's podcast, you do listen to their podcast and you do a little research on it. You, your podcast focuses on creativity and the, and the art, the artistry world, right? The artistic world.

So, uh, I'm, I'm imagining that's literally the world of art, like paintings or,

Dave: It could be

Anonymous Andrew: uh. But is content creation art?

Dave: Oh, I think, I think a hundred percent. It's a way of being able to express yourself,

whatever it was, and, and I [: 00:42:00

It's the artist's interpretation of his expression of something. So he sees something, or he wants to get something out and out of his mind, and he and he will spend hours or days painting something and then they throw it up on the wall. It's a form of expression for the artist.

Dave: It

Anonymous Andrew: And, and this has been going on since the year of days of Van Gogh and you this is and the Renaissance.

But now, today we have this whole new digital platform called content creation. Where and, and I'm, I gotta be very careful 'cause I don't wanna piss off some people,

Dave: No,

Anonymous Andrew: but

Dave: piss them off. Please.

Anonymous Andrew: Great. The

Dave: my

cell phone up and they take [: 00:43:00

You know, they try. So I don't think content creator or content. Influencers, people who now, if you get hired by a company to, to show off their, their new line of clothes, that's one thing you can, that's, that's not content creation. I think that's marketing promotion, but there are people out there who are trying to make it by going viral, by just creating things online sometimes.

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Like the chats, the people are sending her a kiss. What, what is that? But it's content created. Like, he's laughing. He's laughing. What the fuck is that? Like, so I, I don't know. I, I think the world of art is, is lost and we, we, we need to read, bring it back to what it used to be.

Dave: Yeah.

Anonymous Andrew: we were talking about going over to Europe.

People need to go over to Europe and see what art really looks like. I know there's some good art in America, but you gotta go over to Italy and to France and to Germany and, and see and, and architecture and the arts of some of the chapels and, and the paintings. And the museums they have over there.

That's art. That's art.

Dave: I,

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Dave: no, I,

Anonymous Andrew: So.

Dave: I, I to, I totally agree with you, man. Like, look, there are plenty of people that post about going to even Rome in Italy, and I've been to Rome, and when you're physically there and you get to experience it, yes. Especially in cities like Rome, you're gonna run into a lot. Of, you know, pissy people.

has helped me tremendously. [: 00:46:00

Anonymous Andrew: I, I agree. And, and, and then I just realized that there's another form of art that we haven't even brought up. And you and I are sporting it. We're both covered in tattoos. And that's a, that's your expression of art and it's the art, the tattoo artist expression of art. And I think that's art in itself.

t a tattoo for, uh, until the: 1950

But it [: 00:47:00

But that two parlors I think are cool. I, I can go spend a whole day in there and look at what, what, what these guys are coming up with.

Dave: it's in

Anonymous Andrew: The mind is limitless.

Dave: It's how you, you utilize things. And that's something that I've learned even in the short period of that I've been around, is where,

Anonymous Andrew: I.

Dave: I was raised where tattoos are viewed as being a sin. So as I got older, and you know, I

Anonymous Andrew: Too.

Dave: been, I, I kind of treat them as being sacred.

Like every single one of tattoos that I have on my body, they

Anonymous Andrew: Mm-hmm.

h, I got this 'cause of, you [: 00:48:00

Anonymous Andrew: I'm 65.

Dave: Yeah.

Anonymous Andrew: got my first tattoo at 30 and even though I can't show it to you 'cause it's on my back and, but, but that one, which is the southwest, so you see the cactus, I told you earlier that if it wasn't Florida, I'd like to go to the Southwest. Well, there's the southwest, there's a picture of the entire scenery of the Southwest.

Um, and then I got a whole thing going on here of the Conjuring, which is another whole story. I'm a big Annabelle, I'm into the Conjuring.

Dave: love Annabel.

Anonymous Andrew: Oh, well there she is. There's Annabelle. Yeah, but these were done 10, 15 years ago and they're holding up pretty well. So

ve: is great. The shading is [: 00:49:00

Anonymous Andrew: you take care of it.

Dave: it's

Anonymous Andrew: 'cause I, I I, I set in the sun, which I'm not supposed to do, but as long as you take care of it and you put your, your lotions on and you put your SBF fifties or hundreds and. And or just don't go in the sun. They'll last, they'll last.

Dave: I mean, the Adams family lasted even though they didn't go out into the sun,

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah.

Dave: there's that. No, but you know what though? We, we do, we live in a, in an era where art has changed and you know, you can kind of call anybody a content creator even though like they're not really doing shit. But I think it's being able to fish out the genuine, be honest, the real, the raw stuff does exist. You just have to maybe dig a little harder.

o find. But we are out here, [: 00:50:00

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah. I was just curious whether content creation is considered art. I, I, I, I. I don't think so because what I'm seeing on content creation art is what you and I are wearing on our skin. Art is when you walk into a gallery, art, even graffiti, you go to the, the hood and you see under the 59th Street bridge or whatever, bridge

Dave: Oh

Anonymous Andrew: the murals.

Those are beautiful shit. Some that's art, even though it's graffiti. And it was done by probably a gang, MS 13. It's still, it's still nice, you know,

Dave: They got some good artists over there cutting some, cutting some stuff.

Anonymous Andrew: but it.

Dave: are paying off.

Anonymous Andrew: But to, to go buy a can of, of spray paint and then spend doing this at nighttime, probably because you don't want to get caught or whatever.

Dave: No.

ew: It just, it's art. It's, [: 00:51:00

Some of the stuff that they're coming up with, it's.

Dave: it is, it is. But you know what, on, on the, on the other side of it is, right when content creation, you do have I'm gonna use this as an example. There are many comedians that use this as an outlet for their own art. You know, where I've seen this on TikTok, where you have these somewhat famous comedians where they'll post either a new bit that they're working on, or there'll be a video of them collaborating with another artist, them kind of going through a routine or maybe posting one of their specials. It is a form of content creation, right? They're not taking those selfies and posting, Hey, what's going on in my life every single day. They're not,

Anonymous Andrew: Right.

le content. So is the issue, [: 00:52:00

Anonymous Andrew: yes. There's a lot of art. That's propaganda.

Dave: You don't know what's real. That's the issue too, because when you find out that most of the people that are responding and commenting, right,

Anonymous Andrew: I.

Dave: were saying to that porcelain woman that's posting that live, who knows who

Anonymous Andrew: I swear

Dave: They could be all

're going through filters or [: 00:53:00

These women are just staring into the camera, reading the, the whatever the people are. 'cause they're, it says to me, live, and I, I can't watch more than like 30 seconds because I'm, I'm like, what am I watching? Because she's either speaking in her native language or she's speaking in English, but it's, there's nothing, I dunno about you, but we just talked about you have a day job and then our night jobs are podcasting.

I don't, when I go through my social media, I'm looking for a podcast, guests or podcast. More like information about what, maybe I'm researching something for my episodes. I, I don't have time to look at porcelain Asian dolls coming over from China. That could be, which is another whole thing. Could be, could be, um,

Dave: Market sell.

Anonymous Andrew: human [: 00:54:00

Dave: Oh,

Anonymous Andrew: I. The, which I, we didn't even get into, 'cause one of my podcasts is about cults and human trafficking.

Dave: oh,

Anonymous Andrew: I, I, I don't know if the, the, these guys have these women, they just, they shove them in front of the camera and anyway, that's a whole nother topic. So, but, um,

Dave: though? It is a real reality that people do not understand of, again, living in a digital age, is that this idea of abolishment, of pure slavery across the united, across the entire planet, including human trafficking and kidnapping and all of these things, it is real. Okay? I come from a community where they do this to families.

They will kidnap families

Anonymous Andrew: mm-hmm.

eeds to go through basically [: 00:55:00

Anonymous Andrew: what's interesting, just two days ago was June nine Juneteenth, June 19th, which was the celebration of the Eman Emancipation Proclamation, which is when they freed the slaves back in 18 something, whatever it was. I don't know my history that well.

Dave: Yeah,

Anonymous Andrew: But not in Africa. Only in America. And, but that's, and it was just the, the, the African slaves.

You are right. There's [: 00:56:00

Dave: Yeah. I mean, it's, look, we, we like to fantasize, right? You know, back in the seventies you had the pimp era, you know, those pimps with the big feather hats and the purple, you know, low tuxedos with the low riders. That shit has turned into really sophisticated people that own a lot of vans, a lot of people, and know a lot of connections. So, know, I was like, oh my God, how could you possibly kidnap? Trust me, man. Okay, you live in New York, all right? It's very easy to kidnap somebody in New York City. just, you're walking down, you know, la, la, la just then goes.

Anonymous Andrew: Yep.

Dave: Thing pulls

Anonymous Andrew: Oh [: 00:57:00

Dave: grabs

Anonymous Andrew: And you think it's in the movies? You see that? In the movies, but it, it happens in real life.

Dave: All the

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah.

Dave: All the time. And I don't think that, look, I don't think it's a reason to get into like steer heart attack paranoia and be like, oh my God. But I think it's important to know that this is real and just being aware that, that these things are being, it's

Anonymous Andrew: Dave, I don't think. You, you talked about earlier about being a cult in Manhattan or, or New York when you were growing up. And one of, again, the podcasts that I have, cult Ultimatum, is all about cults. And my co-host is a cult survivor from, uh, a cult called The House of Yahweh. And I don't think America and the politicians and the legislators and the law enforcement have any idea how bad it is out there with cults today that they are alive and well.

There is a cult in ca [: 00:58:00

Dave: Uh

Anonymous Andrew: Don't know if you've heard of, okay. You've heard of 'em. Right. There's a documentary on Netflix and Amazon about them. They're still going strong, and all they do is steal money from these adolescent kids, gay and straight, and tell them, we're gonna find you your soulmate, and, but you gotta pay this money and pay this money.

And we've been trying, my podcast and my cohort, we've been trying to get dirt on them and bring them down and infiltrate them. We got a lot of work behind the scenes on them, and I'm not gonna do too much on it because I, I don't wanna spill the beans,

Dave: no, no.

Anonymous Andrew: but we're working on, and, but it's, they're online cults.

ht up in the, like Jehovah's [: 00:59:00

You, you get the picture. They're alive and well, and, and just like we were talking about human trafficking, the cults are just as bad because they're abusing kids. They're sexually molesting kids. They're beating and, and women and they're abusing labor. And it's a mess. It's, it's a, it's a,

Dave: the amount of people that are comfortable being able to talk about this is next to nothing. Okay. And this is the issue is because you're not able to have a platform where you're able to have the conversation of this is a real thing. You know, I've had, I've had adult entertainers and people that are in the adult entertainment industry on this podcast,

Anonymous Andrew: You got a pepper cat on the other night. Yeah.

s, regulations, it's fucking [: 01:00:00

'cause that's what they do. That's what they do. And then they have all of these things that are coming their way and then they get the point finger being pointed at them, oh, you are the reason why there's human trafficking. Oh, you are the reason why there's sex trafficking.

Anonymous Andrew: No. Yeah, no. They got it backwards there. This is finally, so people who are on OnlyFans, and I'm not a fan of OnlyFans and there's a whole story behind that, but that's because I have a personal connection story to it, but I, I, I approve of pepper. You had pepper cat on. I also had Pepper Cat on,

Dave: She's

Anonymous Andrew: and, and then I also had Kobe Fox on, if you've never had Kobe on.

k up Kobe Fox. You will get, [: 01:01:00

He, he, him and Pepper and all of 'em, I think that they are should go on OnlyFans and do whatever it is they do because that's gonna kill human trafficking. It's because they're doing their own thing. And I had Vic Vagina on, which I don't, I think he might've been on Pod match too. You did have it on. He, he, he, he spilled the beans on the whole porn industry for the past 20 years.

And, uh, yeah, it, so things are gonna change over the next 50 years. You're gonna see a lot of, I, I, I like the fact that the, the adult entertainer is now being able to control their own destiny. Whereas years ago they were being given drugs. They were, they were, you know, uh, they were being shot up with heroin.

Dave: sleazy,

Anonymous Andrew: Yep, yep, [: 01:02:00

Dave: that are old as shit. Now living in East Bronx.

Anonymous Andrew: Yep.

Dave: Ugh. These

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah, if you go back and look at some of the porn stars from the, from the seventies and eighties, and I can remember some of them, they're, they're, they have no money today. They're, they're, they're dying of cancer. They, it, it's horrible. So the stuff that they went through, some of the, the porn stars that I looked up to when I was in my, in my twenties, thirties and forties, they're, they're, today, they're, they're not doing well.

So, but today, the porn stars that are doing on OnlyFans and, and have control of their own content will, will do much better. And it will, I think, will kill human trafficking at some point. Except that human trafficking is when you can use, you can kidnap children and, and sell the child to, uh, a predator.

And, and that I don't see anywhere, going anywhere, anytime soon.

talking about Pepper, where [: 01:03:00

Anonymous Andrew: Correct.

Dave: like AI to make sure that they are of age, 'cause she said that she did run into an instance where somebody was messaging back and forth. Turns out it was a 13-year-old kid

Anonymous Andrew: Right.

Dave: figure this out with, I don't know exactly what technology or like software that she's using, but that stuff is great for those independent creators, especially people that are, for example, doing independent filmmaking in that area. It allows you to be cautious and careful and it's like. Don't start blaming when you have people that are able to access these softwares and these tools so that they're able to mitigate all of these things. It's like there's problems. Yes, there's solutions. Bingo, right here.

nly fan I think and OnlyFans [: 01:04:00

They, they, they shut down PornHub and a couple of the other big sites in a couple states because they couldn't, they weren't enforcing the underage verification process. So, um, but here's, here's the problem that I have. When I was 13, 14, and 15, I was stealing playboys outta mailboxes. So I was going my, 'cause one day my father got, I, I noticed he got a playboy in his mailbox.

d the neighborhood and steal [: 01:05:00

You're going to, you're gonna find it.

Dave: Mm-hmm.

Anonymous Andrew: yesterday the internet is more accessible to children than it ever was. I,

Dave: I know.

Anonymous Andrew: I, I don't see anywhere. All you gotta do is go on Google and type in naked cheerleaders and you'll get all the naked cheerleaders you want. And yes, Google has a safe filter, but you know, the kid, the kid, the kids today are smarter.

They know how to turn it off. They know how to get around this stuff. So.

works with this generation. [: 01:06:00

Anonymous Andrew: No,

Dave: to try to communicate with them. And if they're asking something that's a little bit more explicit, there are ways of explaining things to seven

Anonymous Andrew: and you need to explain it because they're gonna get the wrong idea about how sex is performed in the bedroom. And I'm, and, and on my dating podcast, I'm hearing that men in their twenties, in your age bracket, do not know how to perform in the bedroom because they watching porn too much and they think that's how it's done.

Dave: are

Anonymous Andrew: these,

Dave: to the choir. Practically. Most of the guys that I've been with, I can't, I, I, I'm like in a hiatus right now. I'm just like, you know what? I like being single. I enjoy my time. I can't deal with this shit, man. It's like you're dealing with children. And the thing is, is that like, I get it, I'm young, but I sometimes feel like I'm older than my age.

h another person. They don't [: 01:07:00

Anonymous Andrew: They're, they're, they're, they're too tied to their phones. People don't know how to talk face to face. They don't know how to sit down and have a conversation. Nobody can go to dinner and put the phones away and have a conversation. I know it's not like an old foggie talking like that, but this is the, but this is the problem that we're having is that the cell phone is come, you know, there's some singer, um, a pop singer and I don't remember her name, but she's thinking about banning cell phones at one of her concerts because she says that it's going to ruin, not, not because she doesn't want people recording it.

Dave: Was

Anonymous Andrew: says it ruins the experience of watching her concert because too many people are gonna be t chatting and, and WhatsApping and all that stuff, and she wants people to pay attention to her performance.

Dave: think it's Taylor

Anonymous Andrew: Like, I can't think of the woman's name, but.

Dave: Swift.

Anonymous Andrew: No, no, but, but be, but watch Taylor will jump on the bandwagon.

It's [: 01:08:00

Dave: To ban

Anonymous Andrew: do a quick,

Dave: on, I know I'm trying to do this on my phone right over here. Ban phones at her concert. Yeah. It's interesting because like was, um, I had a, I have a lot of the times where I bring filmmakers that are on this podcast and one thing that's been going on, especially around like the indie filmmaking scene is where there's been a lot of collaborating done virtually. So we are, you have studios, for example, in places like Canada that are collaborating with places that are in Europe. Uh, Sabrina Carpenter,

ility to talk to each other. [: 01:09:00

She con, she calls me and confides in me and she says, these guys don't know how to talk. They, they, they don't know how to ask questions because all day long they're texting, texting, texting. So.

Dave: I, uh, I'll tell you this. I had, had a little bit ago, I went out on a date with this guy and, um, we were talking and I kind of briefly mentioned to him that I did podcasting. turns to me and he's like, I can now understand why you a podcaster. And I said to him, I said, why? He's like, you asked, so like, you asked so many questions eloquently, you know, I was just like, okay, I'm literally sitting here on a date with somebody and they're like literally telling me I'm having a podcast interview with them because they, they

to communicate like a human [: 01:10:00

And because everything's done through self. Even this whole idea of like sending you an image and then it disappears, like Snapchat or whatever,

Dave: I don't even know how that

Anonymous Andrew: the, the,

Dave: be honest.

Anonymous Andrew: I don't know how that works either, but it just, it's, I don't know. I, I'm, I, I couldn't live without my cell phone, but I can live without my cell phone for.

An evening, like if I'm, if I was gonna go and I do have a date tomorrow night, I, I can leave my cell phone home. I don't need it. I actually have the Apple Watch, which is basically got its own cell phone built into it and I can sync it. So if anything, really, like one of my kids calls me and I really got you.

So I don't need to bring my cell phone on a date tomorrow night. I can leave it home.

Dave: you

nonymous Andrew: You know, I [: 01:11:00

And when we, you know, say, yeah, she said, all the kids are in bed. And we'd go back to our dinner. You know,

Dave: I know I

Anonymous Andrew: weird.

Dave: No, it, it's, it's funny 'cause I, I remember as a kid and just being able to like, talk about virtual experiences, right? Like I have most of my family lives overseas and being my brother didn't even live here, I remember him as getting the phone card, calling the number, knowing we have a certain amount of minutes to call overseas,

Anonymous Andrew: I remember that. Yeah.

nd he shipped them over. And [: 01:12:00

Anonymous Andrew: Yep.

Dave: in real time. You know?

Anonymous Andrew: Well,

Dave: It's

talking, you're, you're, uh,: 2000

Dave: Mm-hmm.

Anonymous Andrew: and so I think the technology is fantastic.

Dave: it

Anonymous Andrew: Well, it's how we use it, when we use it, and when should we not be using it or bring it with us.

Dave: and I, and I think that is kind of the future of how we see art, right? And even maybe the future of podcasting.

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah.

Dave: not being able to fit into a box. It's the reality where there is no boxes, you are your own box. Like there is and there is mine. And that's okay.

Anonymous Andrew: [: 01:13:00

You could put in earbuds and you can listen. You can multitask, you can listen to something for 45 minutes to an hour and, and do something else at the same time. You, I, I go, when I go grocery food shopping on Saturdays for myself, there's a podcast that I listen to every Saturday morning and 'cause they drop the episode that I think that morning or Friday morning, and I, I, I don't have time to sit there and look at a YouTube video to see two people talking.

arbuds. Like, like, like our [: 01:14:00

Dave: got

Anonymous Andrew: the, the balloons came down.

Dave: full scope right now. It's like, Hey, you gotta see this visually.

Anonymous Andrew: Exactly. But I think in, in the long run, I think podcasting, if they take, if they put everything on video and take away the audio aspect of it, I, I think that the art of just listening is fantastic.

my, uh, era, but back in the: 1930

I just think it's incredible how you can make people so tell a story and make people have, people have to use their imagination to visualize what's going on, so,

Dave: my mom, it's funny, like my mom remembers, think it was, um, like Delilah in the, the nineties

Anonymous Andrew: mm-hmm.

into your own like vibe. And [: 01:16:00

It's like in a way this kind of did replace radio stations instead of getting like 1 0 5 0.6, 1 0 2 0.3, you got this.

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah. Well, I, I, I, I don't know if 1 0 2 0.5 was a radio station with music, but mu that's a different whole genre. But

Dave: Like we had ours in New York. Um, there's like

Anonymous Andrew: yeah, I used to listen to Howard Stern. I don't know if you remember Howard Stern. He, I think he might still be around.

Dave: No, he is,

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah. You still recording? I, I, I used to love that because especially driving into work in the morning, I'll tell you a funny story and I could, and I could tell you this.

e talked about was like, you [: 01:17:00

Dave: like stop and go traffic on, especially the West Side

Anonymous Andrew: it helped so much to, to stop with the, with the traffic. And it was just entertaining to listen to. 'cause the, the way he did it was, you know,

Dave: cold

Anonymous Andrew: then, then he went, when he went to C xm everything went televised now, and now you can watch him. But again, that was another example of like, when I, when it was better, when there was no video, it was better because I had to use my imagination to, as he described what was happening in the studio.

So I.

ple just unwinding and just, [: 01:18:00

Anonymous Andrew: No.

Dave: shows. We're just, we're trying to get through the grind.

Anonymous Andrew: I, I'm, I'm just making audio to entertain people and try to get information into their heads. I, there's no video. I'm, am I recording in video? Yeah. And do I promote it in video? Yeah. But, but the ultimate final product is strictly audio and that's the way I'm gonna keep it. So.

Dave: Keep it old school, keep it raw, keep it

Anonymous Andrew: Yep.

ep it swag. Damn. I, I just, [: 01:19:00

Anonymous Andrew: Hey, listen, you got a good podcast going, man, so keep, keep going, keep doing what you're doing

Dave: you,

Anonymous Andrew: and um, good luck and good luck in, uh, where you going Colorado? Do you know when?

Dave: Uh, the end of the year. So right now I'm currently in vocational school. I'm doing a, is wild. I'm doing a 12 week program with BMW that basically like compartmentalizes three years of dealership experience into those 12 weeks. Please,

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah.

Dave: have mercy. Um, so, and then hopefully by the end of the year I should be, I should be moving, you know, and the, the thing about it is like, this podcast ain't changing.

You know, maybe I

Anonymous Andrew: Good. Don't, don't. No,

Dave: is, this is gonna stay

episodes. Keep going. It, [: 01:20:00

Dave: Oh, I will. I mean, listen man, we are what they call official indie podcasters. And I gotta say like, we're gonna keep, we're gonna keep going, you know, unless like I get hit by a bus or something. But this is, is

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah.

Dave: Every single week. I kinda ask you, um, 'cause we've been talking about your podcast, we've been talking about your work. where can, where can these people find your podcast? You got a website, your social media,

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah.

Dave: jazz. Let's

to find me, it's gonna sound [: 01:21:00

So I've changed the name of the podcast to Digital Dating Along the way. I opened up two other podcasts, one's called The Weekend Rant, and one's called the. Uh, cult A maum just like it sounds. C-U-L-T-M-A-T-I-U-M. Cult a maum, and that's about cult, but they're all under the anonymous Andrew podcast studio brand.

ll anonymous Andrew Podcast. [: 01:22:00

Dave: Yeah. And I, like, I always do this, um, there's links in the description box, obviously, and then Substack.

Anonymous Andrew: I can send you all that.

Dave: Yeah. and then Substack I usually will put a link, I'm gonna put one for, um, your website so they'll be able to find it. So anyway, it's got an excuse like, ah, I can't find it. It's in the freaking description.

People,

Anonymous Andrew: I know, I know people, but people get lazy. They don't look, and I don't mean to offend the audience, but people look in the, the show description. We put it in there for you so you can catch all of the link, everything that we talk about, the guest and, and, and all of that is in the show description, so,

Dave: Everything. Dump it in there in that giant ass box.

Anonymous Andrew: yep.

Dave: listen, uh, anonymous, Andrew, I gotta say, man, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on.

Anonymous Andrew: Yeah, likewise. I enjoyed this.

Dave: we, we covered a lot of shit, man. Like we

Anonymous Andrew: We [: 01:23:00

Dave: human trafficking. Woo.

Anonymous Andrew: Hmm.

Dave: You can get

Anonymous Andrew: Well that's what's one of the things I cover, so Yeah. Somehow it made it in there. So I.

Dave: I

Anonymous Andrew: David, I wish you good luck on your journey in Colorado and, and your auto, and we'll stay in touch. And, uh, uh, uh, David and I belong to Pod Match, which is a, a pod match pod community pod podcasting community. So I can't talk today, I'm so tired from being in the sun all day.

I'm fried, so

Dave: But uh, yeah, seriously, we're on Pod Match. Um, it's literally, you could search it up online. You could find both of our profiles on there. And of course, guys, if you want to check out more of loss in the groove, you can find us everywhere at loss in the Groove Pod. with that, motherfuckers, I'm gonna catch you on the next one. Alright, peace out. Ah.