#269 - Interview with podcaster Dave Keeshan

Dave Keeshan: [: 00:00:00

But, uh, once I, I knew I was getting a decent gig, I kind of sat down and wrote some up. So, uh, so it's been going for a few years now. So, uh, it's, I'm still kind of, there's um, there's one or two guys that would be kind of internationally known, uh, or more in the, the Anglosphere, a guy called Darl Breen. So typically when you want a real science comedian to get him, uh, there's another guy if you, uh, GaN if you can't get him, uh, I'm number three.

So they, they kind of land on me and, uh, I'm the cheap one. And, uh.

Dave: You, you still do, you, you still do science as a profession though.

eshan: Well, I'm an engineer [: 00:01:00

They're not really a, a technology company anymore.

smart box. It'll say Made in [: 00:02:00

Dave Keeshan: We have a company here, uh, well, it's technically German. I don't know if they have 'em in America, Aldi or Lidle,

Dave: Yeah.

Dave Keeshan: they've kind of got, they've got, okay, so they do. But like sometimes they'll sell something called, uh, uh, smoked Irish ham. And then sometimes they'll sell something called Irish smoked ham.

And uh, they're not the same thing. One is like, has been smoked in Ireland and one is ham that is probably Irish, but may not have actually been smoked in Ireland. You know, and, and so Irish smoked ham and smoked Irish ham are two different things legally. And, and you know, a lot of these things, uh, you know, uh, uh, if you kind of really take 'em apart, so the big European automotive, like one of the big kind of things, the real thing that kind of rattled through there at the back end of COVID was the supply issue of chips.

ly was just from the screens [: 00:03:00

So they literally had cars they could not sell even though it was 99.99% done. But this one chip, they couldn't, couldn't get their hands on. So they, uh, they had to hold it back. That was crazy.

Dave: It was, I mean, what's even crazier is when you look at, for example, like even the rebuilding market, where you have companies that you know, they rebuild or remanufacture electronic components for a lot of these vehicles, they've had to move into manufacturing their own chips. Because what he is supposed to do, you can't really rely on China to get you all those components and those pieces all the time.

ealistic of me taking a part [: 00:04:00

Dave Keeshan: It's a, it's, it's a house of cards built on a house of cards, built on a house of cards.

Dave: yeah.

Dave Keeshan: uh, it that as you kind of go into, into the future, so like, uh, Taiwan, if anything goes like that, I hope you like the, I hope you like the iPhone or, or whatever Android phone you got right now. 'cause you could be stuck with it for a while, you know, uh, you're not going to getting brand new things for a while.

Uh, but automotive, like, oh well I kind of worked in aerospace for a little bit as well. And uh, like if you, if you can kind of sell into aerospace, it's just basically like money fight. 'cause you, you've guaranteed like a customer for like 15 to 20 years, like they have to you. When, when you sell this chip, you pretty much almost have to sell the supply.

y have to have all the parts [: 00:05:00

And it's, it's, it's an insane amount of money, but, uh, and if you get in there, it's just like, it's, it's like, oh, we're gonna, we're gonna make so much money. But, uh, getting in there the first time is, uh, can be quite hard.

years old. And I'm [: 00:06:00

Dave Keeshan: Yeah, well,

Dave: it's

Dave Keeshan: you've seen the reboot of a battle, SAR Galactica.

Dave: yes.

Dave Keeshan: no, that's nearly 20 years old now. But like, the whole reason why the ship supplies sur survives is 'cause they didn't update the technology is like they, they didn't have, uh, networked computers so that that's how the cylons couldn't take over.

was at Ursula Vander Linein, [: 00:07:00

So they're kind of all these kind of technology thing that people have been rely on for so long you can no longer rely on, it's like, how do we land a plane with an instrument, landing system working? So, uh, you know, it was said, don't worry, you've got the traffic controllers. They, they, they, they, they've got like these computers from the eighties.

So there's, they're not gonna fail, you know.

different nations, you know, [: 00:08:00

Dave Keeshan: Yeah, so I, I had a, I was working on an idea a few years back. It's essentially what, like the, uh, you know, like the, the Amazon ring

Dave: Yeah,

Dave Keeshan: kind of idea. The, the, so I, I, I kind of like, I, I thought very, very, very similar idea just before the first iPhone came out. Once you kind of, that, uh, that kind of, you know, Bluetooth inside a phone that's a kind of a computer.

on that for a bit. And, uh, [: 00:09:00

So there's a whole kind of security. Process of you sending a challenge and a response and a, it means like you, you'll never have the same sequence in a row. And I spent a huge amount of time getting that work and I got it working and I never chased it up. And, you know, I could have been a bajillionaire now, but, uh, that didn't happen.

But anyway, they, it was gonna happen. Some someone's gonna do it. And, uh, I think whatev what is Ring now is some kind of other company that Amazon might have bought along the lines, but I found it that they had no security in it. It was, it was exactly the thing I I was protecting against it was you just sit in the middle, you wait for someone to press the button, you kind of record over the air, and then they would go up and they'd press it again.

And I said, what, what are these guys getting paid for? What are they doing? You know, that, that was like, you know, it should have been, you know, 1 0 1, but, uh, it was mad.

s they have implemented that [: 00:10:00

Dave Keeshan: well, that's the, well, that's the, that's, well, that's the magic thing. So I, I remember like a friend of mine, you think he had the first, uh, vw uh, golf, uh, the nos. But, uh, I think your car would come like a standard, but you could kind of pay subscription and it would turn on the heated seats or something.

You know, you, you, you know, it is like the whole car is kitted out for this stuff, but you kind of don't get it as standard, you know, but it's sitting there if you pay the subscription, and that's, that's, that's what everybody wants. So I was working in, when I was an Australia, I was working for a company.

printers. They want to sell [: 00:11:00

And they were always, always trying to figure out, you know, we'll give you the printer, we'll give you the paper, but we'll come in every other week and we'll top you up. And here is our subscription. You know, and they just want to get you on that subscription. And it's, uh, if you can get you on that now and everything's done.

Subscription. I mean, I think printing was the first kind of one part of the world, uh, like in the business, corporate where it started happening. But everyone said, God, look at how much money those guys are making. So you kind of see everywhere. Now they just stay, you know, uh, Microsoft or 3, 5, 6, that's subscription.

It's all subscription. Adobe subscription. And then, and then the problem is you stop paying your subscription. You lose it all, you know? But Adobe's notorious, if you have like some, uh. Uh, project you've been working on, and, and then you stop paying, you can never access it again. You know, it's, it's locked forever.

o their work that they just, [: 00:12:00

Dave: It, it's wild because people complain about, you know, things getting expensive, and I'm like, does anybody ever think that one of the reasons why things get expensive is just the amount of subscriptions paying month, like to keep your house operating? Like it turns out there are subscriptions even in your own home. Like from your coffee maker to your, your lighting to, I mean, if they could slap on a subscription, they're gonna slap on a subscription. You know,

Dave Keeshan: Well, this is the, this, well this is the wall garden kind of, and actually podcasting that is, is kind of at the forefront of this, is kind of, do you, what is a, what is a podcast? What is a podcast? It's like, you know, 'cause like Joe Rogan is the famous guy who kind of, uh, is the kind of vanguard, but is, is he a podcast anymore?

Or when he went [: 00:13:00

Dave: him a podcaster. I really consider him to be an entertainer.

Dave Keeshan: well in terms of just a podcast if it, if, if it was a, a avid, like an audio file that you could kind of, uh, anyone can access it from any kind of internet enabled device. That was kind of what it was. But once, but once they kind of want to kind of get you into the walled garden. And, and Apple is notorious as well for trying to, you get you in here and you can't get out or Instagram or any of those things.

It's like once you're in here, you can do whatever you want, but no one else. You, you have to go through our gateway. You know, and, uh. And everyone loves the control of the wall garden, particularly, you know, for podcasting. They, uh, they can kind of see okay, how many listens they have, and, and then they can put that to the, uh, you know, the potential advertisers and say, well, who's listening to 'em and for how long and what's their demographic?

blah, blah, blah, blah. So, [: 00:14:00

So I think he kind of started, uh, began to realize it wasn't as good a deal for the exposure for himself, uh, as it turned out to be. And, you know, the famous Obama deal with Spotify or the, uh, what's the, the Royal family dudes, the Harry and Meghan. They were in there for a bit and getting silly money. And then I think they made like three, three episodes for like 20 million.

I could get that money. That'd be great. Plus, uh.

don't fit their algorithm or [: 00:15:00

I mean my, what's so bizarre is I do terrible on YouTube, but yet platforms like Rumble and Substack, I'm killing it. That alone, like showcases to me as a podcaster where I'm not doing anything wrong. The problem is you have a system that's designed that if you're not profiting, you know you're not making them the money that they want you to do, the way that they want you to do it. They don't want to have anything to do with you. They're like, we are not

Dave Keeshan: Oh yeah, well.

Dave: we're not gonna push you.

subscribers, or No, it's just: 1000

And, and he kept like trying, like he, because he kind of got, uh, he got a bit of notice, so he was starting to kind of get, um, advanced copies. And he sort of said you'd think, you know, okay, the, the brand new movie that's coming out, maybe that should get a lot of views, but, but there's like about 50,000 other people reviewing that movie, you know?

So it kind of, you weren't getting as many hits as you'd think, even though you might have a review out just before it came out in the cinema. But it was, uh, but trying to like figure out the algorithm and, you know, stay ahead of it if it was a nightmare. But anyway, eventually he did get to his thousand.

you know, this type of way. [: 00:17:00

And he, he kind of, he can't seem to kind of get anything like the type of jury numbers he used to get.

Dave: This is why like it's very much a double-edged sword. You know, you have to be able to figure out a way of being able to make it work for you. You know, it's nice to be able to monetize and it's nice to be able to have that level of control, but if's not under. Especially these days with podcasting, if it's not under your terms, where I, as a podcaster was forced to interview artists that I didn't want to interview, I wouldn't be doing this. of the things that I love doing about this is I, I get to be able to talk to people that I want to talk to. I get to have the conversations that I wanna have conversations with, know, and that's something that I think we relate to very well. It's like, it doesn't have to be the most exciting thing, you know, even like are like, oh, science is boring.

I'm like, to [: 00:18:00

Dave Keeshan: I, I, I, I, this thing, I've been working on something recently. I know it doesn't sound sexy, but they'll do timing, like exact, like precision timing. We're then talking down to the nanosecond level of time. You know, bang, bang, bang. And I, I actually got a little GPS module and GPS when it, when you kind of set up, when it, uh, when it requires, uh, all the satellites, it has a little, a little LED on it that starts blinking, uh, once per second, exactly like every second.

And, you know, there's something just very satisfying. You just see this kind of pulse going. You go, okay, that's talking to like six satellites up there right now. This little, little dinky thing. Uh, you know, probably something, something as, as small as that is talking to like six satellites right now.

Dave: [: 00:19:00

Dave Keeshan: uh, you know, you kind of go like some amazing stuff that's happening right now that like the, like, uh.

Uh, like financial trading kind of used the, the, the, the sink from these GPS, um, to kind of make a shit ton of money. Like if, if the, the GPS network went down tomorrow, like, you know, it would be like catastrophic for so many things that we just don't realize. Like so much of, of our, our kind of livelihood and systems are now based on this thing that we don't even pay attention anymore.

And if it disappeared, we kind of would be really affected by, but it's like, it, it's like that, you know, I, I, I kind of do, uh, mainly microchip design, but I work in the area, it's called emulation, which is where we, we take a design before it. It goes to manufacture in like TSMC at those 12 places, and we emulate it on a thing called an FPGA, which is a kind of a very special microchip that kind of can pretend to be other microchips.

And, uh, and I, [: 00:20:00

You know, and it's like, that's kind of, you know, if anyone kind of, if if I'm kind of getting in anyone's way, if, if you're, if I'm causing any kind of friction or my work isn't kind of just kind of making like people's lives easier, then I'm not doing my job. You know, so that, that's kind of the, but a lot of people just like, you know, if you're doing your job, like, what, what did you, you didn't do anything.

It's say, aha, you thought that, but, uh.

's a lot of trial and error. [: 00:21:00

Just show me like the final product and result. It's like you're not understanding. In order for you to get the final product and result, you have to do all this shit beforehand in order to get there. That's the grind.

I, I went to college, get a [: 00:22:00

Like I, I, I think every, every problem, every problem I, I ever deal with starts with the phrase weird that should work. And, uh, and then, you know, that could be like three weeks of, of kind of trying to figure out what went wrong. But, um, but the, yeah, it's, it's, it is amazing just like how there, there's so many layers built on, layers built, built on layers, and, um.

So many people now have to pull together. I mean, it's, it's huge business. I mean, I, we, I worked on a, I was with a Irish company that, that had got acquired by Intel, and then I'd say we, we were working on one chip that kind of had the guts of three, 400 people working on for one chip. You know, so it's, it's kind of very hard.

itself, it was software and [: 00:23:00

Uh, these are crazy money. You know, you begin to sound like Dr. Evil now, you know, I want a trillion dollars, you know? Um.

Dave: Apple, though it's kind of strange. Apple's no longer, they're no longer a technology company. They're a marketing company. I mean,

Dave Keeshan: Well,

Dave: fi.

Dave Keeshan: I, I, I'm, I'm actually, I'm gonna disagree with that, um, because the, the, the, the, the unsexy truth is that they, they did actually, of course I was working Intel at the time when this happened. Uh, they, they finally got off of Intel ships. They bought a company, uh, back now 15 years ago, called PA Semi.

And they started manufacturing their own chips in the background.

Dave: Yeah.

talking hundreds of millions [: 00:24:00

And. It was, you know, they must have been like doing this in the background for like four or five years, but it came in and now that all their, all their iPhones and all, you know, are now on this, uh, uh, apple produced, um, silicon. And, uh, that was, that was actually, they probably will do studies on like how they effectively transitioned because one thing you want don't wanna do is piss off your customers.

And they, they didn't

Dave: But yeah,

Dave Keeshan: well for this, for this, they didn't for this. They, they swapped it in and it was so kind of smooth that no one really noticed it. So, uh, it, it, it was quite impressive that one,

Dave: it is, I

Dave Keeshan: not that I have, not that I have an iPhone.

l, I mean. are right though. [: 00:25:00

Apple really hasn't technically made a new product, for example, you're right in regards to the internals, those things have started becoming more and more in-house, but as a whole, as a brand.

Dave Keeshan: I was chatting to a friend about this recently. I, I, I was, I always thought like the, the best time to be Apple to, to have a company. That was when they brought out the iPad because, uh, they had something like, I don't know, a stupid amount of like 50,000, a hundred thousand people pre-order a product. They didn't even know what it was.

ere was something about this [: 00:26:00

And I'm kind of like, really? Like, wasn't that kind of in now. I've never seen 'em, I've never used them. So I don't know if they're that kind of any different than other, uh, um, both wireless buds, but he feels that that was their last big one. But even that, I think it's like over five, six years ago.

Dave: Yeah, I mean. It's weird because there's so many different added elements that goes into, you know, like one thing that really stands out to me is like, you go back even further, a period where Apple made, which was called the, the lamp iMac, where they, they made this iMac that think, I only think it was an iMac back then.

basically the same component [: 00:27:00

And I'm just like, when has, has Apple ever made anything like that since, you know, yeah, it was like absurd and didn't, you know, doesn't have any like real, like just design, but. Incredible piece of design,

Dave Keeshan: Yeah.

Dave: the

Dave Keeshan: people, some people like that though. I mean, I, there was a TV show in the UK called, uh, the Grand Designs. Um, I don't if there's been an American, uh, clone of that, but the main guy who presents as a guy called Kevin McLeod, he's an English, uh, designer, but he kind of, they were, they did an Australian version of it and he came over to us and gave a few talks.

my wife attended night. She, [: 00:28:00

And she just turns and goes. So, um, she, she was kind of slitting, but he, he gave a talk and it was kind of going on a bit like that kind of iconic, uh, you know, that the, the candy color, um, stuff that they were doing. Uh, I think it was first with the IMAX and then with the nanos and stuff. That wasn't them.

I said, no, this is from like: 1964

iPod had that kind of, [: 00:29:00

a copy and paste of how from: 2001

Dave Keeshan: Well, you and me dude, you and me, that's just like, it says, sorry Dave, I just can't do that. You know?

Dave: yeah.

Dave Keeshan: that, that, that was my exit. That was always my, uh, kind of critical error and I put onto a computer. It went back on the first time he could do that, you know?

ot of the times it's just to [: 00:30:00

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nees haven't gone yet, but in: 1989

And in: 1989

There's no point. 'cause I'm not gonna be able to go on one, you know? So it's just, it's just, it's a complete waste of time, you know?

Dave: I mean, I think today technically we could, we could make hoverboards. It's not a technology that we can't accomplish to make. I I'm sure people will come up with excuses as to why you can't, but they did make the shoes where it has retractable shoe laces.

Dave Keeshan: don't care. I want the hoverboard. Where's the hoverboard?

Dave: What do you think, do you, do you think from an ENG engineering perspective that we are in a technol technological place in time that we could make something like that? I think we can

o, I think the, that kind of [: 00:32:00

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Dave Keeshan: it just,

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Dave Keeshan: yeah. But all, all that sort of stuff. But like, you know, like it's jet packs, right? Jet packs is always the one that they kind of go on about, but like, jet packs do exist. They actually exist, but it's just like, so, uh, expensive. But, you know, there's one day I, I think I was like, uh, what was I doing?

uh, jet packs for rescue for [: 00:33:00

I said, what, what am I doing in my life right now? People are using jet packs to do something and here I'm doing like requirements. You know, I need to, I need to, you know, we need to kind of, we need to like reappraise what's going on. You know, I.

Dave: But you know what though? It's, it's kind of the, the sediment of its time. It's weird. I'm sure you've realized this also in your career where things used to be a lot more difficult than it was 20 years ago, become increasingly a lot more easier to do now and yeah,

Dave Keeshan: Yeah, but you, but you, but you get the cr of that. It's sort of, you know, when I, we used to kind of do verification of stuff and you kind of, you were, it was expensive, so you had to be considerate. And because of that, you kind of didn't really kind of go heavy at it unless you something. But now you just, like, you've got all this compute powers.

just throw everything at it. [: 00:34:00

Uh, that, that it is actually not as good as you think, but there's this kind of thing, it's just sitting there. We'll just throw it at, throw it at it, you know? So I'm, I'm experimenting with AI right now, and I, and I'm not impressed. I'm seriously not impressed. I had AI had a, a test, an existing test that I want to translate into a different format, and I told, I said, just translate this from this to this.

of, you know, you're second [: 00:35:00

What else is just saying, oh, too hard. Won't try, you know, it sounds like that kind of surly intern you get, you know, it's like, oh, I just, uh, I was working really hard, but I wanted to go for smoke, so I never got back to it. You know, it was like that kind of a level.

Dave: It's, it's kind of baffling because you know, people are, they, they put the level of how onto ai and I'm like one of those individuals that I'm like. It's, it's not that intelligent. I mean, we think of it as being like superior, but really all it is, and I Have you even spoken to like even a programmer, it's just a over-glorified language algorithm that that's

Dave Keeshan: Yeah. Well, it's, it's just, it's just the, it's, it's a predict, it's a predictive algorithm

Dave: Yeah,

t is kind of a, I mean, it's [: 00:36:00

Dave: I mean, it's

Dave Keeshan: you know,

Dave: I mean,

Dave Keeshan: but it reminds me like a friend of mine, she was like a, um.

Psychologist or psychotherapist, one of those, I think it was psychotherapist. I said, yeah, whenever, whenever you're kind of struggling, you just say to 'em, like, and, and how does that make you feel? You know, and I just kind of have a feeling like that, that's all the LMS are doing. They're just, they, they pick up on these kind of phrases that we kind of respond to, you know?

It's like, how does that make you feel? Oh. And then you get like, you know, thousands of kind of like words out after that.

m to believe. With the right [: 00:37:00

Dave Keeshan: We're, we're trusting. Like I I, I had a bit of exposure to crypto back in the day, and not that I'm gonna, uh, advocate for crypto, I'm just gonna say it made me realize that actual money is kind of, when you really, really think about it. Insane. Uh, it like, it, it doesn't exist. It actually doesn't exist. It's just a kind of a, an an imaginary idea.

We've all decided to agree on. All of us, you know, and because we all agree it, it exists and you know, it, it's just, it's just mental. And you kind of start pulling it apart and you kind of like, okay, but I've got money. I've got money in the bank. He's like, really? Have you seen it? Have you ever seen it?

, you know, and [: 00:38:00

And uh,

Dave: I mean,

Dave Keeshan: and there's so many other things like that.

, it's showing that you have.: 1200

But the reality is, the bank, every single time you put money in your account, takes your money and uses it.

Dave Keeshan: Yeah, but it's, it's fractional reserve. Yeah. It's, uh, no, but, but everyone knows that that's, that's how it works. And it's like, you know,

Dave: they're

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And, uh, you know, and it's, it's sort of, um. Yeah, I, anyway, that, that's, that's my gateway into kind of try and make people understand that, you know, that's an imaginary world that we all agree in. So other imaginary worlds kind of exist as well that we all kind of agreed in. And, uh, because we, you know, the, the state is gonna look after you, that's a responsibility.

for someone who's like, been [: 00:40:00

And, and, and, and, and I think that there's been some deaths as a result of that. So that's kind of violated the kind of the, the social contract that it works, you know, and, you know, people go, well, those are, those are mistakes and they can happen. And you know, but as we move into like a greater technology world, that these things aren't supposed to happen as much anymore.

So, uh.

you either by having, where [: 00:41:00

Dave Keeshan: The wind. The wind only ones it.

Dave: And I'm like, I don't know about you Dave, but it's like, um, when, when you have a hurricane, there's something that happens when a hurricane happens. Oh, that's right. It floods.

ean City, Maryland, uh, back [: 00:42:00

Do, do you know the highest point, uh, uh, on the eastern seaboard from, I think it's all the way from the top of Maine down to Florida?

Dave: Um, I would say the Adirondacks, but it's probably

Dave Keeshan: No, no, no. I mean, on the, on the coast. On the coast, yeah.

Dave: the highest point. That's a great question. Um, I would think

Dave Keeshan: I'll give you. No, it, I, it, I, it's in New Jersey, it's Highlands. They're just, uh, the back of Sandy Hook and like, that, that, that means the whole east coast is pretty much just like, just flat sandbar, you know, it's always gonna flood. You've got like no clips there at all along there.

Dave: No.

Dave Keeshan: And like when I was in, uh, in, in Ocean City, I dunno if you know it, it's kind of like a big sandbar

Dave: It's

Dave Keeshan: [: 00:43:00

Dave: City.

Dave Keeshan: well, well the inlet,

Dave: Yeah.

that inlet didn't exist until: 1930

So, uh, it's like, and when I was there, I think it was Eduardo came through and I remember we woke up and the whole boardwalk was like shredded. It all being kind of tons of kind of planks being lifted.

Dave: My God. You know, it, it's, it's wild because, you know, the more you talk about technology, you think that, here's another thing that, that marvels engineering, right? You build an entire city like Miami. It's built on marshland. It's built on swamp land, so there's no bedrock underneath. It's just thick amount of sediment and mud, and then there's just straight ocean.

u know what we should do? I. [: 00:44:00

I'm like, did anybody, did anybody think

Dave Keeshan: Well, I'll give, I'll give you, I'll give you some of a, like, I'm originally from a place, an article called Cork. Cork is, is Irish for, it comes from the Irish cork egg, which means marsh. Uh, so, and the whole city is built basically in a, in a, in a river delta. Really? Um, and you know, like it's, it's nearly like, it's nearly 800 years old.

ing up through the cracks in [: 00:45:00

And they had a kind of a computer lab in the basement, a brand new, uh, computer lab with all new kit. And then of course they had this massive flood and the whole place got wiped out. And it's like, but where was the surprise? The place gets flooded all the time. It's been getting fluttered for like 800 years.

So, uh, you know.

Dave: Yeah, that's genius. Money on technology and computers that cost money and put it in a basement and a place that's built on marshland.

Dave Keeshan: At least put it, at least put it in the, in the penthouse and, and on top of the roof or some

Dave: like, my God, you

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Dave: God and man, I'm sorry to go back into this, one of the things that drives me crazy, you have that design vehicles, for example, even like Subarus and Audis, you have this whole same thing with rain with a Land Rover, and they put things in places and I'm sitting there and I'm like, why did you do that? I'll give you a great example. Some Audi vehicles have where they put the starter for the vehicle the engine, on top of the transmission.

Dave Keeshan: Okay.

Dave: you have a component that's already exposed to immense amount of heat. It's a starter, gets an immense amount of voltage that goes in through there.

It gets hot, so you take something that already gets hot and you put it in an area that gets hot, and then you

Dave Keeshan: Yeah.[: 00:47:00

Dave: so many times people are coming in for starter issues and

Dave Keeshan: Well maybe.

Dave: $6,000 to get fixed because you have to take out the engine and the transmission just to get the starter.

Dave Keeshan: There you go. That's the reason why,

Dave: Yeah.

Dave Keeshan: you know, built, built in obsolescence. Like my, my dad tells me stories about like how, you know, but they would drive like a distance of maybe 200 miles or even 150 miles. They used to have to bring the car into like the shop to make sure it was kind of ready to do a distance like that.

You know, like that these guys, they, they, they're not used to like, these cars you buy and you drive around for like, maybe a year to get serviced and then it gets serviced that, yeah, there's nothing wrong there. We just changed the oil. And then it goes for another like year or two years and like a brand new car, effectively, with the exception of the oil.

ey gonna sell more cars, you [: 00:48:00

It's how I get paid, man. So stop, stop messing with the golden goose.

Dave: No. It's also the same thing with appliances, man. Like people are like, I'm gonna be one of those boring when it comes, even like with refrigerators, right? They have this technology now where they put screens, okay? We both un, we both understand technology, right? Okay, let's walk this through this. You have something that's cold that creates moisture and you put a giant screen on this thing that collects moisture and gets cold, and you wonder why the screen has problems and it glitches,

Dave Keeshan: Uh, well, you, you, you, you, you're wearing glasses, right?

Dave: right?

u kind of go into like a pub [: 00:49:00

Dave: Fogs

Dave Keeshan: up straight away. Yeah. That was always a pain in my ass, you know, just, uh, cold glasses inside into a humid environment.

Dave: It's crazy. And again man, it's like we have technologies to combat this, but then the problem is you've got the engineers that design glasses, right? But the lenses for fogless glasses cost 10 to 15 times more a regular pair of lenses. So if, for example, a pair of lenses, I'm gonna use British terminology, let's say a regular pair of lenses will cost you, you know, 35 quid. The same lenses that are anti-fog can cost upwards of like 245 pounds. It's the same

Dave Keeshan: It's,

m like, it, I wanna get into [: 00:50:00

Dave Keeshan: yeah, but.

Dave: Let's, uh, let's sell that liquid.

Dave Keeshan: But well, that's, uh, that if you can find your market, you can, like, I, I, here, here's my killer idea, right? Killer idea.

Dave: of

Dave Keeshan: bringing it to you. And anyone who wants to get on the ground floor, you know, I'm taking, uh, taking VC funding, you know, with AI and the rise of like, you know, uh, cameras and identifying people, you know, being able to kind of track people.

I think there's gonna, culturally, culturally be a rise and people wanting to wear masks just kind of, you know, full face masks so they can't identify your face. But, you know, it'll be, it'll be kind of, um. You know, people still want to be stylish, you know,

Dave: course.

Dave Keeshan: so you know the people, you know. So there'll be a big market and people just kind of wearing wear, you know, like, uh, a bit like those anonymous masks.

, I'm taking investment. You [: 00:51:00

It's gonna be huge.

Dave: I gotta ask you, I mean, we've been, we've been talking like this whole time. I know that, um, you have a website. I know you also do podcasting, you do also comedy.

Dave Keeshan: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Dave: do you, um, you do pod, you still do podcasting full time, don't you?

Dave Keeshan: Oh, I, I've been on a break. Uh, I had two podcasts. I did a technology one, a good friend of mine. He's, uh. He, he and I kind of are, are on a similar wavelength. And it was weird. We actually was unusually pop popular with our friends because, you know, like you tell people you do podcasts, you go, yeah, great.

ith were actually listening, [: 00:52:00

Oh, oh, oh, you did actually listen to it. Oh, okay. Uh, right. Okay, great. Yeah. So, uh, and like they were saying, you should do a thing. Oh. Oh, okay. Okay. So you're not joking. Okay. I, I thought you were just fucking with me. All right.

Dave: Oh my

Dave Keeshan: so that was one, uh, should get back to that one. Um, he, he got quite busy, so, uh, and the other one was like with comedy, uh, based, but I was kind of more interested in it, so I'm kind of Irish, but grew up on, uh, American and UK tv.

So, uh, U UK tv. So there's Irish tv, there's British tv, there's American tv, there's Australian tv, and a little bit of Kiwi and a little bit of South African. And they're all English. And you know, I, I kind of used to, I moved to the states. I state I worked in, uh, New Jersey for a few years and I was, people always kinda go, you know, would think I'd be quite different because I was from a different country.

said, well, you see, you're [: 00:53:00

Dave: world country.

Dave Keeshan: Yeah, we, we, you know, we grew up in the little hobo and, and the A team and, uh, night Rider and Star Trek and, you know, EO and friends.

You know, it's, we all grew up with all that, like, that's, that's part of it. So,

Dave: Yeah.

Dave Keeshan: But then I kind of, um, now America wouldn't quite get the same con Australian content, uh, at least back then. I'd be bit now. But, uh, we kind of grew up on Australian tv. So when I moved to Australia, it was exactly the same thing, kind of effect that I kind of grew up on some stuff that they grew up on and that they wouldn't have grown up on my stuff.

Uh, then I, I began to kind of realize, okay, well you have a humor style and I know I know yours, but you don't know mine. And then I would, in America, I'd know their humor style, but they wouldn't know mine. I kind of wanted to talk about, okay, well let's, let's talk about kind of what, how, what works here and what doesn't work there.

guy from Russia. I got a guy [: 00:54:00

I was looking for, you know, people from Malaysia and, uh, you name it anywhere. But it was got really hard to kind of find, uh, people in different countries. So, uh, I, I would, I would love to kind of go back. I'd love to kind of get just one from every country and just kind of go around the world because, you know, you always go back to French, like in, I know Jerry Lewis, that was kind of always the cliche about like, what, what the fuck are they laughing at?

You know? Um, but there is, it was kind of, there was always like a weird kind of thing that was different about a culture and, and once you kind of could understand what they were enjoying and how it was different, you kind of, okay, I kind of get them now and, and I kind of, I can kind of align with them better.

Dave: Yeah.

Dave Keeshan: uh,

Dave: I

great, we're confident, Hey, [: 00:55:00

Dave: different environments, and I think that's honestly something really cool, especially like with podcasting and even with comedy, if it's, for example, engineering comedy, you

Dave Keeshan: That's not my, that's not my main thing. Uh, that's just kind of where I landed.

Dave: No, but honestly it, it gives you an upper niche. It gives an upper hand in the sense of where you have an understanding of different cultures, you know, being able to explore into those different avenues. It's like

performing as that kind of, [: 00:56:00

And they kind of like being told about what they're like, sort of from an outside in, uh, but someone who's lived there enough to kind of have observations that are kind of interesting. And of course I had the accent and the Aussies love, love the Irish accent. Not, not every country likes the Irish accent the same way, but the Aussies just love it.

And they told me never to get rid to, to get rid of it because they, they really liked it. And I did find I, I would get a bump. Like I, people would want me, uh, to perform, uh, happy me on the bill because okay, we've got like all these middle class, middle aged white dudes. Uh, but you've got an accent. So you get on.

always found like that that [: 00:57:00

Dave: No, but I, I think that's, honestly, interesting. I think the Irish accent is one of those, as hard as you try to get rid of, you can't get rid of it. British people have a tendency when they come to America, they like, they're like amphibians. They like, they stay British to a certain extent, but they, they Americanize their accent gets a

Dave Keeshan: Well, well, no, I, I can go, I, I, I, I can go American if I need to. I mean, I, I did find like the best way to do it was the, uh, you know, the, the, it was Tim Roth in, uh, reservoir Dogs. You know, I got the connection to hippie chip book in Santa Cruz, and all my friends knew and say, Hey, dude, you getting some, you get some from me too.

ve different fucking people, [: 00:58:00

And,

Dave: thing.

Dave Keeshan: and so I found that that was kind of enough. And then after living in Jersey for two years, that it just, you, you know, you just slow everything down. You don't speak as fast, and, uh, and you just say you're all set a lot,

Dave: Yeah. I,

Dave Keeshan: uh, normal.

Dave: it's weird. I mean, for me it's like I have a New York accent, but because I've been living in, I've lived in just so many different places. Like have a New York accent with A southern lisp. I don't talk as fast as I used to,

Dave Keeshan: Yeah, I can get that. I, I, I'd be, my American experience was, uh, Boston, New York, New Jersey would've been in Maryland, but then I recently, I was starting to work with people who were in North Carolina, uh, that more draw, you know, well, you guys, you can

Dave: Yeah.

Dave Keeshan: slower. And then for me, I'd be kind of, I'd be coming in really fast,

Dave: I, I [: 00:59:00

Dave Keeshan: with them fighting worse. Uh, I, no, I didn't like, you know, Boston, it like those kind of ass, you know, the very, that kind of long ass, you know, the,

Dave: sorry, no offense to people in Massachusetts, I just, no.

Dave Keeshan: he's in Florida, but guys, he's in Florida. Uh, but yeah, no, but it, it, it was kind of, uh, it was interesting. Uh, it just, I know they come next up, not Bea, and goes, well, if it's not, if it's not Bea then when is, where is it? You know?

Dave: Um, you mentioned that you have some comedy gigs that you're doing locally in your area.

e they need you the most are [: 01:00:00

But now the, the youngest is three, so I'm finally able to get some free time again and get back out again. Uh, so I had, yeah, it's got, I've got a few gigs now next month. I'm looking forward to getting back out. I had, I was actually really lucky. I had the same thing last year. And then a few weeks later, I just happened to be in, uh, in Lisbon,

Dave: mm-hmm.

Dave Keeshan: and I found out on, uh, they had a, an English, an English comedy night, uh, just around the corner from where I was.

And I kind of turned up and say, Hey, gotta I get on? And they're like, uh, yeah, you have to be funny. I said, yeah, I'm, and it's like, yeah, no, but seriously, you, you really have to be funny. And, uh, so it's, that's always like, every time, like trying to get gigs, they, they say, I, I don't know who you are. You could be just some like psychopath who thinks they're funny, but it turns out you're, you're awful.

istening. Anyways, I, I kind [: 01:01:00

Dave: Yeah, that's awesome. Um, anybody wants to listen to your podcast, you have them available on most platforms. Do you have them?

Dave Keeshan: Oh yeah, they're everywhere. Yeah. So, uh, gurus of Comedy is my, my main comedy podcast. And, uh, the Future's Not Set is our technology podcast, and we're still tracking number 41 on Good, uh, good pods, uh, in, in the technology space. They say, well, you're, you're doing fantastic. I said, oh, that's great. So, uh,

Dave: and you have, of course you got social media and stuff. If anybody wants to reach out

Dave Keeshan: yeah, uh, Dave Keesen, uh, will get me everywhere. D-A-V-E-K-E-E-S-H-N, and, uh, uh, you might be getting a bit up too old, but, uh, in, uh, when I first arrived in America, um, all Americans could always pronounce my second name correctly, and this guy used to go, Hey, you know, captain Kangaroo? Yeah. You know Bob Keesen?

got my name after that. Uh, [: 01:02:00

Dave: Leave it up, leave it up to them, man. Oh man. I have to tell you, like, it's, sometimes it's a, a fresh of breath air to just like geek out and nerd out for just a good hour, you know, just get a good term of experience. And my God, sometimes you don't always need the top of the line. You just need good commenting. And in your

Dave Keeshan: That's all you want. I I,

Dave: it,

Dave Keeshan: the secret, the sec, the secret of comedy. The secret of comedy is not the funniest. It's the person who turns up and says just for 10, 20 minutes says, Hey, relax, I got this. And as long as you can have that attitude that the audience will come with you, if you're not kind of hitting bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

want enjoyment, you know? So [: 01:03:00

Dave: Yeah, a hundred percent. Well, listen man, I, I really appreciate you taking the time and talking with me and again, like getting a little bit with specifics, with things, especially different industries and stuff and

Dave Keeshan: Yeah,

Dave: some

Dave Keeshan: you may have to cut. You may have to cut some of that out. They're gonna lose the audience. What the hell is that all about?

Dave: Sorry, sorry. Um, I'm gonna make sure, I'll leave your links and everything below. So if anyone wants to check out your podcast or check out your work, and then I'll of course obviously like tag you on social media so people will be able to. But um, yeah, again, thank you so much man. And anybody out there, if you wanna check on more of the podcast, you can find us at Lost in the Groove Pod. We are on Rumble and we are on Substack. So with that motherfuckers, we'll catch you on the next one. Alright, peace out.