Episode 252
#252 - Interview with band duo Hecojeni
Hecojeni doesn’t dress their music up for the algorithm. No polish, no autotune just raw takes, jagged edges. The kind of lyrics that hit harder because they’re unfiltered. In our conversation, we dive into the making of The Human Race. A song that channels frustration, burnout. Seeing resilience into something both fragile and fierce.
We talk about writing songs that feel like postcards from heartbreak. The difference between showing off and showing up. Why imperfection can be its own kind of perfection. Hecojeni opens up about creating music that feels half-secret. Yet deeply communal the kind of tracks you stumble across once and never shake. If you’ve ever felt worn down by modern life but still hungry for honesty, this one’s for you.
Where to Find Hecojeni?
🌐 Website: Jeff n' Heath band Hecojeni check it out:
🎧 Work: Hecojeni's related release The Human Race (Single):
https://music.apple.com/us/song/human-race/1825420060
📲 Social: Check out Jeff n' Heath @hecojeni
And of course, you can find all the links for L.I.T.G, and where to listen at:
👉 www.linktr.ee/lostinthegroove
Transcript
Dave: Poco
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: I like Florida. Yeah. I, you know, once you live there, though, I, I did. I, I quit going to the beach. I don't know. It was weird.
Dave: dude, it is. Like, I grew up in New York and the amount of times people have asked me like, how many times have you been into the city? And I'm like, I lived
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah,
Dave: like two years. Like, like
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: exactly.
Dave: Like, I've never even been to the Empire State Building and I'm from New York.
You know, like, oh my God. By the way, I gotta tell you, like I, just finished listening up to human race and it was kind of hilarious. You guys just like messaged me out of the blue. I remember you were talking the last time we were here about you guys working on new music
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: and. We talked about this before, like you guys, I don't know what it is.
hties and just show out up in:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: bro.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah, I, I've kind of heard that before, so it's all right. Oh, good. You're vaping. I'm gonna vape.
I was early into the vape situation and it helped me quit smoking, and then I got real busy. This was a long time ago, like 10 years ago, maybe even older. And when you had to buy it from different places and mix it together, it was like effort and wasn't always successful. The battery would die, the filter would get filled.
And so I was really busy at work and I couldn't order my stuff. And then I, like, after about four months, I got over this hump, but I'm like, all right, we're gonna get all my stuff. And then I was like. That's stupid, dude. You beat it. You won. Why would you go back? So I gave it all to a friend and like, that's it.
leep with my vape. You, you, [:Dave: it's a li listen, man. Like, I'm not trying to like, you know, like put it on a, it on a stand, you know? But reality is for a lot of artists, like substance is kind of a wait to survive. You know? Like, I'll be honest, like the amount of artists I run into, like if it's vaping or if it's drinking, sometimes you gotta be responsible for drinking.
Like, come on, don't, don't drive, don't drive while you're drunk outta your mind. You're gonna kill somebody.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: like there are some other people that do little heavier stuff like sometimes, you know, doing shrooms and LSD and MDMA and. I get that, you know, there's people that like, that's how they get their creative process going and shit, but like teach their own, you know, I think everybody kind of knows what's good for 'em and what's not, you
hat. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I had [:Dave: You can't
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: I'm, I'm,
Dave: me that on the pod and you just close the goddamn door. Like, gotta
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: I'm grateful. I'm grateful. Those stories. Yeah. It's, uh, it was definitely a, a big part of my life. All, all that stuff for a long time. And, um, I'm finally, uh, I feel I feel better, you know, now than ever. Um, and I did, and I'm, I got to where I am because of all that stuff. I, I, is the way I look at it. So, um, but yeah, I, I dabbled in just about everything at one point.
And, and, uh, used to, you know, play, that was how I was used to playing, um, get up on stage. I, I couldn't really do it sober. Scare the shit.
even as an artist myself, is [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: head,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: you're
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: The flow. Yeah.
Dave: that's where you want to be.
And you know, you can do it without drugs. It's just, it's hard. It takes a lot of energy, like almost quote unquote meditation and focus and shit. But is doable. It's not like it's impossible.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Well, he's now addicted to running. Yeah. That's his new drug. I've traded it a little bit. I, I'm, I'll admit it's excessive, but, um, I get, I get really, uh, a runner's high afterwards. I get, I get excited about what's coming. And, um, Jeff we're in his studio in, in Greenville. And, um, I, I was living offshore near Hilton Head for a couple of years, uh, isolated.
t, it's perfect. I'm really, [:Dave: well,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: out here.
Dave: We come from nature. I think that's a really interesting thing too, right? You're not the only person that's mentioned this before. Doing things like running or hot yoga, Pilates, stretching, all of these things can give you that quote unquote high
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Absolutely.
Dave: It's just a dopamine, like, you know, there's other
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: like, it's like a dopamine hike.
Like you're, you're getting your adrenaline and everything rushing
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: it just like you, you pointed out, right? If you have a beautiful trail, you have a great place to run. You know, obviously I sure as an artist, you got your own jams of music that you're getting playing or sometimes you just need no music.
You just want to hear nature. You just get out there. It, it's kind of like getting that bump from cocaine, you know? It's just like
l this stuff that's going on [:Uh, anyway, that low state, that's, yeah, we write, we got a song with that in there, writing about some of that stuff. But,
Dave: Yeah.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: but yeah, it's my time with God, you know, the universe source what, whatever, you know, whatever thing you think. But I come up with a lot of ideas out there too. Like I'll get excited about midway through it, and I'll call Jeff when I get back.
It's like, oh, we gotta lay over a course at this point. You know? Or I've gotta, I've got a little bit of a break at this point, and I think a lot of it comes from, you know, just being alone and being able to focus and thinking. Thinking about the music.
Dave: I think what's really interesting, and I I, you know, I, I sometimes I tend to do this, I like to do comparisons. It's just how my brain works when, when I think of you guys, because I honestly like, it's a pleasure to be able to not only just have one conversation, we also have like a second conversation.
Like
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
ow when you take like a band [:Just because there's disaster. Just because there's separation doesn't mean that the art needs to die, right?
e up pretty motivated about, [:He took an old Zenith, uh, turntable, uh, to get refinished and two doors down with a music store, and he took a picture of it. And I, there's a lot of telecasters Stratocasters in the background American made and I got really excited. So I'm gonna go pick one up. Um, if they're open, I'm gonna go to get one today.
Dave: damn, man.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: excited about it.
Dave: It it, it speaks to the artist's soul because, you know, one thing, like I I, I've spoken about this before. A lot of music today sounds the same. It's like, okay, it's great. You've got artists that are wearing pink, purple eye eyeliner, like, they look like Mad Hatter from Alice in Wonderland.
ean that, you know, it feels [:It's like, stop chasing what you know the freaking numbers are telling you. Stop chasing what people want, you know, like or what TikTok is looking for. I'm tired of that shit, man, because like, you know how an original that is, you know how AI and artificial and machine like that is. It's
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: I don't
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah, we're trying to figure that out right now. It's a different ball game for sure. It comes and it comes and goes, right? Like I, it's almost like the day the music died for the next four years. It was bubblegum pop until the Beatles came in with leather jackets and guitars and great songs, and then it got over overdone in the seventies, same kind of thing.
e Steely Dan, but Steely Dan [:Dave: The
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: also.
Dave: people.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. And then the Ramon.
h their Jeep, Jeep Cherokees,:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: But the Ramones came in with leather jackets and blue jeans and two minute songs and wiped it all clean again. And then Nirvana kind of did the same thing in the early nineties. Like all the hair metal was like Cool. One day. Yeah. Glam rock. It was all corporate. It was all heavily produced. And then here comes Nirvana.
It's like, Nope. Town garden. Yep. Nope. They had, they didn't have leather jackets. They had, uh, flannel. Flannel. Flannel.
Dave: Pixies. I love
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Picky. Yeah. Oh yeah. Are they Irish? No. Posers. Pogues.
Dave: isn't it? U2 Irish also.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Oh yeah.
Dave: Yeah. You
th - Hecojeni: Yep. Got back [:Dave: how
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: That.
Dave: that? How was it nice to go? B. Go back to were, were you in the Republic or were you in like actual
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: you know, I was just in, uh, west Coast and then Dublin, but we saw U2 popup museum, which was very cool.
Dave: Wow.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Um, I read it all. It was like a little journey. Um, then we saw traditional music out west and doing, and it's cool because you're in a restaurant eating and then they have a little reserve for musician sign they put on a table or two and then the band comes in.
But you don't really realize they're the band. They look like they're just, you know, and they eat. They're eating next to you and they're like, boom. Out comes the banjo and, and accordion and they're playing and they're like the table next to you. It's really casual and very cool.
the United States. Like, you [:They're
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Oh.
Dave: for grunge,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: indie, like, and that's kind of wild and fascinating itself, right? Because I've been to the uk, I've never been to Ireland, I've been to the uk. like one of those places where you don't have this really in the United States, like you have dedicated places that literally look like. An Oliver Twist story, you know, it's like buildings all over. Everybody's wearing overalls. They all look like they work in a factory. They all drink too much beer. They got married in a stall. It's just, it's just culture, you know? And then you go further down and it's like more posh and more proper, and people driving jaguars and it's so, it's so counterculture to America.
Like there's so classist in [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, I had a theory like America is a much more individualistic society and Europe and UK are much more socialistic society and they produce better bands and we produce better single artists.
Dave: Yeah,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Like all the way back. You know, Bruce Springsteen, Madonna, Michael Jackson,
Dave: prince,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: I mean, they don't have anybody kinda like Phil Collins may be kinda like that, but all the single artists are here and then all the bands, Beatles, stones, Zeppelin, all that kind, you know, all the way to you two.
So like countered, all that was was REM and the Beastie Boys, they're the two greatest rock and roll bands in America, in my opinion. They're taught number one.
Boys are by far it, I'm, I'm [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: in, they're so great to the point that there are a bunch of grubby, sloppy rich PRTs that grew up in the upper west side of Manhattan, and they were able to make music for the rebels so
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep,
Dave: you'd actually believe that they grew up in like Harlem.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: that's right. Jeff loves him. We, we've got a couple of original Lamar Sorentos. I'm gonna minute it up here and see if you can see it. See, see that in the background
Dave: Oh my God, man,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: and,
Dave: amazing.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: there's another one, I'm not gonna twist Jeff's computer because it stands No, you can do it. All right. Then there's another one over here.
Here on, let's see.
Dave: Oh,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Oh, it's behind the lamps. You can kind of barely see it. It,
Dave: it one that says New York City?
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: yep. Yep. Yeah. I connected with Lamar and like. Love your paintings, da, da da. Could you, would you ever do one of the Beastie Boys? And he's like, you pay me man. I'll paint whatever you want.
Dave: Oh my [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: I'm like, alright. So I sent him this picture, the one behind us, and he did it.
And then I sent him a picture of run DMC. And then he sent me another Beastie Boy one. And I'm like, alright,
Dave: Hmm.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: stoner. So then I tried to get, I tried to get him to do an RE M1 and I couldn't, he wouldn't, he never, he didn't respond. So now I had this one done.
n a Jewish cult. I left about:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Did you really interesting, another podcast. I wanna hear about this. So.
Dave: oh, that's beautiful. That looks like to anybody that's listening right now, it looks like mosaic tiles, like, almost like, um, plastic, maybe glass,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Uhhuh.
Dave: a shiny metal of some [:It's really, really, really cool.
th,: er though, like it was around:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: I was listening to Losing My Religion by REM
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah,
Dave: you know, as somebody that was like leaving the community and I was like trying to kind of figure out myself.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: yeah,
Dave: to that song five times on repeat and I
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: yeah.
Dave: stop crying
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Oh.
Dave: how powerful that song was.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: No. No. The Peace voice. Uh oh. Sabotage. Yeah. Well, it was life changing then for you, huh?
at, right? Something that we [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: of who we are. But when we put it out there, we have no idea on how many people it's affecting.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: don't know, like for example, somebody could come like down the road, right?
And say, Hey Jeff, you know, I listened to human race and like I got my life altogether. Like I was rock bottom. I was
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. Isn't that crazy? It could be. 20 years from now, you never, you have no idea, right?
Dave: No
ou, that song affected you in:Dave: right.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: right? Here's the one, so then I had a Beastie Boys done in that same style, the Sabotage video character.
Dave: like gt, I don't know why it's giving me GTA vibes like very heavy. Oh
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Oh yeah.
Dave: yeah. Yeah.
, you know, a couple hundred [:They're AI driven with a human race playing. And then I did another one, which was, uh, a GTA. Uh, and it's like, uh, these characters running through the city and we have lyrics. Were you taking DTA when you did it? Yeah. Yeah. That's weird that he mentioned, yeah. Lyrics on the billboards. That's cool. And, uh, it's, it was fun making these videos.
I can't, I mean, I can't kind of wait to press release and see the videos go out live too, because I don't think anybody's doing it. People are like anti AI a little bit, but. These are cool videos. Yeah, it's, they're, it's fun. They're freaky. Yeah. They, they freak me out a little bit. Um, and you know, it's a, it's our, it's kind of our first official song Jeff and I are putting out there.
, um, I, I think we've got a [:Dave: I know.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: but, um, so now we're gonna try to do like an every six week we'll have a couple hundred videos, like snort short ones, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Uh, in, in that, in that kind of feel of
Dave: Are you
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: making little, yeah, we grew up in MTV, right. So I, I love the video aspect of. Like I think of aha. A take on me. That video is like life changing a little bit.
like, this is like MTV, like [:Like, you know, pat Benatar videos or Michael Jackson videos and I was like, man, that's pretty cool too. So we have an India video, a theme video for, uh, human race coming out.
Dave: It
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: So that's exciting.
Dave: Indian. It's interesting because India has a very interesting relationship with the United States in the sense where, 'cause my exposure a lot to India is Southern Indians. I
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm.
Dave: I have not had the pleasure of like getting to know people specifically, like from Punjabi areas. Like I've met
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: outside of India. But Southern Indians are very interesting in the sense where they only know India, but yet they also know a lot of American culture. But they know the American culture under Indian influence, like under Bollywood and stuff. So like if
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Right,
Dave: certain names and stuff, they're like, look at you, and then you'll put it on and they're like, oh yeah, I know.
And then they know an Indian version of it, like by this random
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: right.
you're like, wait a minute. [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: It's,
Dave: that's the original, like the original
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Right,
Dave: song. They're like.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: right.
Dave: It's wild.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep. Yep. It's a crazy culture.
Dave: It is, I mean it has shaped a lot of artists. I mean, I think also
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Oh yeah.
Dave: The Beatles are one of the greatest examples of this, where they went to India and out of that came four really incredible artists that eventually had solo careers. That they did have very successful solo careers. Like I know people are like, ah, they broke up blah, but they except Ringo.
Fuck Ringo. I don't care about Ringo. The rest of them though, like they
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Rico still playing though,
Dave: now play,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: and the drummer usually goes first. Yeah, that's true.
Dave: he's a talented producer as an
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. Yeah. He was the least talented. Oh, I don't think so. I think some of his drummings impressive. Yeah. His Phils and Rolls.
ve: I think Roger Taylor can [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: Yeah,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: I don't know. There's this guy on TikTok and he would go, here's why. Ringo's a, a genius. Here's what he could have played. And he'd put say, a Beatles song and he would play along. It would sound good, but here's what Ringo did instead. And it's a lot of staccato. He's not playing that. Just less is more four on the floor moving forward.
I don't know.
Dave: well, you know it, it's interesting. It's interesting because when you deal with band members, right? Every single person is bringing something else into the band. You
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: case
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: you're just a, do you know, you just got the two of you see got Les.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: kind of picked up a drummer recently though. Yeah, he's really good. I'm excited about it. He's the most talented of the group so far, maybe.
at example is, we're talking [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: They hated each other.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: each other with
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Did they really? Oh yeah.
Dave: they hated each other,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: They looked alike.
Dave: they did look alike. But they got along because they loved music. They wanted it this to be their profession, and that's how they treated it. They treated it like, this is their career, this is their job. And they're like, we hate each other. But right now we're on stage and there's like 10,000 people watching. We're in a recording studio.
Let's do this. Like forget
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Why did I not know they hated each other? I'd never knew that. Well, famously Johnny didn't go see Joey when he was dying and they asked, don't you want to go make amends? Because that would just be fake. Wow. Yeah. It was really, and then he retired, sold his guitar, never played again. Like he's like, it was just a tool.
I was a carpenter and that was a hammer. You think a carpenter keeps his hammer after he retires? I don't have a need for it. It was really weird.
Dave: they're not the only ones though. It's, again, like, it's a very interesting thing about band dynamics. Like, look at Queen,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: very deep and dark depression,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: they tried replacing Freddie with Adam Lambert.
Like no offense, like the guy's very talented, but that's not Freddie. You can't replace Freddie man. Like, you need to move on and trust me, man. Like I, I know what it is to lose somebody that you love, you know, and that's the thing that happens to like, especially the, the both of you guys. Like, it's not only you guys are creating music, you guys are friends, have stories, you have memories together.
Like
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: that sinks deep.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: anything go, God forbid, if anything ever goes south, but like.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Dave: You don't think about that ship man. A lot of people don't. 'cause they never really lost anybody or they don't really understand what it is to have a long-term relationship artist relationship with
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Dave: years.
it drummer, and I think they [:He goes, you betcha. Like, it's the whole, it's like having a different band all the time. Just the three of us. Instead of the four. And then, uh, Beastie Boys, right. MCA dies and they shut down. That's it. And, uh,
Dave: I
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: it's pretty sad.
Dave: but you
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Everybody talks about, oh, we want them to get back together with like Eminem or somebody, ice cube or whatever.
But I think it's the three of 'em were the Beastie Boys. That was the magic,
Dave: But you know, like I was saying earlier, like the same thing with Joy Divi vision, it turning into new order.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: yeah.
Dave: You had that with New Nirvana. You know, when
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: That's right.
Dave: died, they all went out and to have successful, I think it's Foo Fighters, I forgot his
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. Fighters, crew fighters. Yep.
Dave: So
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: [:Dave: there's that too, right? Where we like to look at the negative side of it and say, okay, you know, people die and it's horrible and then
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: horrible shit happens. But sometimes the universe works this way where it's trying to have, where that's the end of your chapter
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. Yeah.
Dave: he even said this, I forgot his name.
The one that started the food fighters. Like he even said that, like
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: He said that that was the end of the chapter. And he knew that after Kurt passed
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: to rewrite a new chapter and. These are, again, we're just going all over all this shit, but it's kind of true. It's like all of these different elements and all of these different pieces.
You gotta keep this in your mind because when you hit that wall and when shit hits the fan, you're like, fuck, what am I supposed to do?
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: this beforehand, you're like, okay, we'll work through this. Let's figure this
hmm. Mm-hmm. Opportunity for [:Dave: Yeah. What are you thinking about?
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Me.
Dave: your mind is going all over the place. I can see it.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Well, I mean, we're talking about loss, but I'll be honest with you, I, I, I can't get over the, uh, the Jewish cult you talked about earlier. What, what's, I mean, I, because you know, I, uh, I, I won't go too off the deep end of it, but I've,
Dave: I don't mind.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: no, I've really gotten into, um, uh, noticing synchronicities and, um, you know, meditating and, and, uh, you know, thinking about consciousness and, um, what, what is the old Jewish, um, mystics, or was that Kabbalah?
Dave: Mm-hmm.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah, yeah. Were you, were you, were you guys into that?
hing I've realized being now [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Hmm.
Dave: want specific amount of people that are extremely learned already, like deep within the trenches to be able to learn and discuss it. 'cause otherwise you can leave. I
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: knew somebody that like read the cabal and they're like, all right, they left.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Hmm. Anyway, that's what I was thinking about. I think it's cool though, you know, like, like, like I said, that's kind of you. You went through that and that's, that's part of the reason you are who you are today. So it wasn't a bad thing.
ound the train tracks, and I [:And then I would find out year later, years later was a John Lennon song, you know? just being able to like, be there, experience something I've never experienced before in my life. I was just in awe this man that probably had no home, had nowhere to go, just had a guitar case, and a guitar and just sitting there on,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: There's a word for that. What it, Jeff? Busking. Busking. So, so Jeff and I busked, is that correct? Down in Savannah, back in probably 92, 93.
Dave: that word, busked.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Busing. So now he's threatening me. Um, we gotta go do some busing 'cause he wants to film it and put him on the videos. So I'm, I'm, I'm terrified enough getting up in front of a crowd, but busking on the side of the road.
ne. Yeah. That I'm trying to [:Tick, tick, tick, pop, tick, tick, tick, pop.
Dave: it's not
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: So
Dave: it's not a corg machine. It's a, it's a Casio.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: this is a Yamaha, um, big Yeah, it's, it's cool looking. Yeah.
Dave: It's got like
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: I haven't quite match
Dave: in.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: yet. Jeff does all kinds of stuff. It has a, it has a, you know, cheesy horn strings and then it's got beets.
Dave: So
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: I can play it like this. I don't, I haven't figured out how to record it yet. Yep. How to loop it. Loop it. So we're gonna figure that out soon.
Dave: I hope
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: doesn't, he loves the retro stuff. He's got a tube amp back here. He made, if you leave it on, it'll catch fire.
Dave: Oh my God, bro.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: mean, it sounds magical. Yep. So cool. That's a better than a tube. Jeff is a keeper of records and I'm so grateful to be part of it because he's saved so much stuff over the last decades.
t say that. Yeah. Yeah. And, [:Dave: uh,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Nothing.
Dave: another trip to ikea, you know, to get
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: of dishes.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. Putting together another couch. Damnit.
Dave: But
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: He's a
Dave: when were talking about Led Zeppelin earlier. And think like Led Zeppelin's a great example of this, right? Because they, a lot of people don't know this. They had this shtick where they used to use broken instruments.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Hmm.
Dave: So they
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: untune their guitars, their bass, and figure out how to play certain notes under those conditions. That's why like for example, when you listen to songs like Black Dog, you're like, what the fuck am I listening to? 'cause that's what they did,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: I, I like that too. 'cause it's not only like collecting or keeping artifacts for stuff, you're figuring out different ways
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: music, raw music.
eBand. having those physical [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: You, you're preaching to the choir here. Mm-hmm. I, I almost wanna break everything out. Jeff's got old grills, uh, nailed the wood. You can, you can do rhythm on. I mean, there's a ton, ton of stuff, just like what you're talking about here. We, when we recorded the Chill bump album, we, we, we used a lot of the stuff mm-hmm.
For the first time, um, in, in the studio, but yeah. Uh, that's, that's fun. And yeah. And it, and it is a, a lot better than the electronic automatic stuff that you kind of can't, can, can put out now. But I'm still amazed with now what you can do too. Um, it's, uh, so much cheaper and you have unlimited takes and unlimited tracks.
because you can always make [:Dave: I realized something a few years ago because like, I'm not, you know, I'm in my twenties and I've never really been able to experience this because people, especially older than me, remember gonna the movie theaters, right when it was still film. It digital, it was a, it
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: film reel I saw the Joker, the one from Quinn Tarantino when a fir the first one on film. sat there in the movie theater for the whole movie. And I just said to myself, I'm like, now I understand why people went to the movies.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Dave: And this is gonna sound strange, it's because you sit there and you could hear the,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Dave: then, you know, you kind of see the screen flicker and then the lights change because of film, you know, when it's going
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: A would come up and he would change the,
Dave: yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: yeah,
Dave: And I'm
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: that's normal.
money watching a movie. And, [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: to God, when you start getting a little bit more analog with things I.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm. You have collect vinyl. He's got vinyl album collection. He just took a
Dave: vinyls. I got a
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
m the seventies. I spent like:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: There's something happens when you push music through a tape machine too. It's like, uh,
Dave: I
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: the natural warm depression and
Dave: I know,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: it's, you know.
Dave: You know what I think it is? think it's because we like to veer to perfection
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: Even though our bodies and our minds are not designed for perfection, we're actually designed for imperfection. We're
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: see imperfections constantly. Think about it like when you're hunters and gatherers and you're hunting animals, you're not gonna look for perfect in animals.
You're gonna look for [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: your family. So. The thing that we've like being able to go through industrial age and figuring out technologies and kind of starting off with anal, analog things that kind of feeds our mind, even though we're in such a mechanic and industrial world.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: when you get more mechanic and more machine, it's fine. It's great, it's great quality. We got amazing shit that comes out of it, but something in our mind just doesn't click. it's too perfect. too
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep. We got a lyric. What's a lyric on, uh, try to mechanize, then you lose your way. Something like that. Sounds familiar. It's something like that where it's do that same idea of if, if you try to make everything automated and then. What's the human for? Yeah. It loses its soul. Which you kind of started off the podcast talking about soulless music there.
here's a lot to be said for, [:analog. Yeah. Well the world, the world is analog, right. When the we're out here in nature, right. And you can hear the cricket, they is, uh, the natural like compression that happens. There's loudness and then it quiets and it's not a mechanical tone. It's a varied thing.
Dave: There's also an element where people forget, right? If you're an artist and you're constantly on the road and you're constantly going from venue to venue, you don't really have an opportunity to really have roots.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
ow, you live in a little bit [: f's property out here, and I [:And I love him. I haven't found him yet, but, uh, I mean, he's the loudest. I haven't named him. Well, he is probably about that big. Yeah. We, we've got a couple, a couple carp in the water named Jake and Elwood, though
Dave: Let me call him Barry.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Barry, that would be done. Very white.
s sold the soul to the devil [:He lived a kind of like nomad life.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: I, again, I, there's something, there's something to it. There's something about artists that look for that lifestyle their music doesn't sound like other artists. It doesn't sound like somebody that's recording in la. It doesn't sound like somebody that's recording outta Chicago. You could feel it. You really can.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Studio in Alabama Creek Shoals. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yes.
Dave: What's that? Um, what's that
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Muscle. It's Muscle Shoals, uh, fame Studio. Who, who's some artists that have recorded out of there? Well, the Stones Aretha Franklin. It's in Alabama. Pretty famous spot. Yeah.
Dave: I
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Name checked. Yeah, name checked in the songs. Put home Alabama in one of the verses in Muscle Shoals. They got the Swampers. That was the name of the house band.
And [:Um, but yeah, that's where the Stones went to record and 69 maybe because of what they had already done then. So that's, it was a whole, it's a whole vibrant scene still. Uh, muscle Shoals
Dave: It's a
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: look, there's a great Netflix called, uh, the Muscle Shoals sound. It'd be great. It's a great documentary.
Dave: it sounds
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Check it out.
Yeah.
Dave: I, again, like it's crazy to even think like this is, this is the American story. I mean,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: a country of a [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: the late sixties when the civil rights blowing up around and then you have, are going down there to record. It's pretty fantastic. Really. Music always kind of rises above it all. Yep, yep.
Dave: I think, I think art has a way of speaking out to the truth because it's not.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: As much as you have all of these executives try to figure out ways of making profits and meeting bar margins and quotas and all this bullshit, like, yeah, obviously there's definitely a, a market to make a lot of money off of this,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: but that other market, the one of real true, genuine people just creating their own craft, like a blacksmith, you know, making a
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
point where there's no genre [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm.
Dave: have no hold anymore,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Really? Yeah. The gatekeepers are gone. Yeah.
Dave: are gone. Hallelujah.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Hallelujah. That's right. And what I like is, you know, Heath and I sitting in here and one moment there's not a song, and then a few moments later, there's a song out of the ether. Yeah. And it's crazy. And if that song now is a forever thing, and then I'll get excited about it and it'll just kind of create itself.
Yep. It's, it's, it's, you know, the music that we're putting out, it, it's not a planned, uh, type of music. It just kind of creates itself. And it's not really stuff that, I mean, I'm a, you know, heavy metal grunge fan, and, and this is totally not that. And it just, so I, it's always like a, a surprise to me, to me.
one song, summer's calling, [:And then we like came back a little bit and added a clarinet. Yeah. And oboe and all of a sudden it sounded like something from the sixties. Sixties with Frank Sinatra. Yeah. And it was, uh, and then we had Andy come in and he, like in five takes, he recorded five different percussion instruments and they were all like printable.
ol. Like where did that come [:Dave: I feel like I, I'm serious. Like I feel like the more I talk to you guys, like, again, I hate doing comparisons, but do, you do have a very similar story to new order. It's really
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. Yeah.
of new order in the, like the:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Cool. Thank Great. Thanks man. Yeah, that's pretty, I appreciate it.
Dave: Do you ever, like, do you guys ever, ever thought about that to
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Well, I love, you know, I love New Order and I love Joy Division. Uh, those guys are incredibly talented.
Dave: Pioneers,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep. I remember seeing a video of them and, you know, the whole punk scene broke and, you know, they were in, it is a great movie. I dunno if it's a great movie, but it's great from perspective called 24 Hour Party People.
er it was, like there's only [:That's cool. 12-year-old kids. You know, it's like every band that came outta England happened to be at that sex pistol show in Manchester, and they're like in a Holiday Inn and they're taking the chairs and breaking up. That really happened. Yeah.
Dave: Yeah,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: And so that's cool. They were there like when the bomb, like, uh, wasn't there a, uh, song by you two talking about when the, when Joey Ramon came and the bomb exploded?
Like that was this show was, uh, was the Sex with the Manchester. Wow. So they were there. Crazy. Yeah.
Dave: it
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: All kind of emanated from that. Like kinda like creepy GBS is the original. Yeah. Everything before that was like, not non-existence. It was now from this became this, everything else. And, and not in a little way.
Superstars, superstars.
ave: I, you know what it is? [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: corporate, not for large corporate, for ourselves, is collaboration. And we've seen this over the decades, over and over again. Artist inspiring, artist audience, inspiring audience, like there. I, I'm not, I'm not a very, like, I'm a little bit of a spiritual person. I genuinely feel that a lot of this stuff comes from another universe. I maybe it
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Absolutely.
Dave: or the subconscious.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: The source consciousness, everything that connects with.
Dave: Yeah. There's something, there's, it's not coming from this world. I, I just like, that's the feeling I'm getting.
Like there's no way in hell that this is coming from this planet.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Hmm
Dave: it's being fed in.
ing. Be careful what you ask [:Dave: I, you know what though? I, I feel that the more you're able to tap into it. 'cause I feel like you've been able to do that a lot too. more it just becomes a part of you. It's like the second you get into that, that flow state be able
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: It's
Dave: music,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: easier and easier.
Dave: it just comes. It's just all of a
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: just gets flooded with that,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep. You, you, you, you start to, to, to see synchronicities and you, you start to, to notice and the more it happens, the easier it gets to tap into it.
Dave: you know?
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: More normal.
Dave: Yeah,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: I, um, I, you know what, one thing that like we should touch on, 'cause we did talk about this earlier, was, uh, your new song that came out, which is Human Race,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: I mean, I've listened to it just for one time and it's just, but it's just like, it's one of those Beatle, like a Sergeant Pepper Beatles song.
it's just sitting a little, [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Cool. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate it. So that, that song, um, actually we wrote it in, uh, the nineties and it's, you know, kind of completely, completely different. Uh,
Dave: You waited, you waited since the nineties to release the shit.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: well, no, no. It got released, uh, uh, our old band, the Chill Bumps, we had it on, on their cd, but, um, and we're, we recorded a couple other, uh, old, old songs that Jeff and I wrote that the band wrote. We gave everybody credit for it. Mm-hmm. But, um, it's, this version is completely different and a lot of that is Jeff.
Jeff's production and his ideas. Um,
Dave: You had a little bit to do with it. Just a
m. Um, it seemed like a good [:Dave: It speaks volume because it, it's, it's not only just music, it's experimental,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: it's got rock in there. It's got alternative. That's what I'm saying, man. Like this whole idea of like quote unquote genres of decades,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: rewriting that shit, you know? It's like.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep. I love you, man. I, I appreciate, I appreciate this. You're good feedback. I, I like it. You get it? Mm-hmm.
Dave: I listen, you know what, like I've spent so much of my life behind the curtain that when I left, I made a promise to myself. It's like the last thing I'm going to do is be covered again by the same curtains, by people, quote unquote, that are trying to tell me how, like I can make the own my own decisions.
e and honest people and have [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: A lot of that is dictated whether or not, you know, if it's your full-time job or not. You know, Jeff's, Jeff's got a, a corporate job that, that puts food on the table and, you know, I've got, I got a little bit of anything. So we don't, we're not slaves to having to, to make money off something. The, it'll be a bonus, you know, if, if, if, you know, we make money off it, but that's not the, the purpose.
Um,
Dave: It's
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: which,
Dave: it's being able to have balance, like
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: mm-hmm.
social media influencers and [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: instead of figuring out ways of improvising as an artist and being successful for yourself, such as being able to financially support yourself. You know, it may not, it'd be maybe like for example, your case, a corporate job. It may not something that you dream of doing for the rest of your life, but that's fine 'cause it's allowing you to do what you love and it
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: going. I think that's what matters the most. It's not giving up everything.
So you could be like, you know, ac CD says like, it's a long way to the top if you wanna rock and roll. It's like motherfucker. It's a long way to the top of rock and roll. And if you don't have got the bread, you ain't crawling up that hill. You tumbling down like empty dumpty.
end of it too. Um, but yeah, [:Um, we're able to take our time with it and, and, um, you know, it's, it's d it's different. I'm lo I'm, I'm very grateful. Mm-hmm. It's fun. I, I, so Rick Rubin's a big, I'm a big fan of his, he's a hero. I saw him on TikTok and he is like the number one criteria. If you're making music, it needs to be, is it something you wanna make?
Yeah, you can't go chase, you said this earlier, you can't go chase the next thing 'cause it's just fake.
Dave: It's
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: It's gotta be something you like you're interested in. And he is like, and that comes out in your music. That's all you can do. And then, and then you give it to the world. You can't control other people, get it or like it or hate it.
ve be beginnings of three or [:Yeah. Right. There's, there's work today we need to be thinking about where's that chorus gonna go? Or how do I, you know, how do I add a bridge? Or, you know, what are we gonna record and, and keep or rerecord? So it's like, uh, it's almost like a factory. Right. It's like a, this song has a, maybe an 18 month runway all the way to mastering and these videos that we'll put on top of 'em.
I, I think that's really key [:Yeah. Well that didn't count, but,
Dave: it's being able to connect with the community. You know, I,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: yep.
Dave: I think that's where, you know, people love live shows, but I'll be honest, like I was talking with somebody recently about this. It is really insane what the hell they've done to live concerts. I mean, the of tickets because you have people that come in there and they buy up all the tickets and then they up
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: like through the, the
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: And then you got these wonderful sweetheart community venues and then they're charging everybody freaking like $50 fees and then $10 fee to go see the band. It's like people are coming here to have a good time with their family. Stop
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: just
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah, I wouldn't feel like,
Dave: Like that's it. End of story.
the record companies are all [:Like they charge the artist, you know, 20 grand to rent the venue and maybe they make 25 grand in, in receipts. Then, so the venue makes 20 grand and then they make another a hundred grand on alcohol and the artist doesn't see any of that. So there's a new, there's gotta be a different model, you know, in the future.
We have a sound guy back, back in the day in our first band and he, he made a hundred dollars more than we, than we did. I remember having a hard time with that.
Dave: No, it is crazy. 'cause
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Gotta have good sound. Yeah.
a hundred bucks. Holy shit. [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Lot more. He, he was the sound guy of a band called Jelly Beans Jellyfish, jellyfish back in, uh, back in the early, the early nineties. And they were a pretty big band. Yeah. And so he had moved to Atlanta, jellyfish had broken up, and we, we got him and we were very fortunate to go. He was great. He was magic.
Shalom. Shalom was his name. He was crazy. He would bring out the PA every day with Babylon sisters by Steely Dan. Yeah, that's what he said. Because he said, and I hated it. He said that because I was a rocker, that's the most perfectly recorded song in the history, recorded music. So I'm going to make your crappy PA sound as good as it can playing this song.
Yep. So to this day, if I ever get a new, if I ever get a new stereo, I, I start it with Babylon sisters and I fi fiddle with the EQ until it sounds right.
Dave: like there's other songs that have better pitch than that one. Like I, I could
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: I.
Dave: name a few,
ff and Heath - Hecojeni: Slo [:Dave: oh my
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Moody, moody guy.
Dave: that, but that also ties in against what we were saying, regards to collaborating. It's where, for example, if you're having a live event and it's, you know, community based, it's like a market or whatever, you got other people, local businesses coming together, and you have an area where you want to be able to have live music instead of like treating it like everybody's on, like survival of the fittest.
It's like, why doesn't everybody work together as a
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: you're trying to support the community. You're trying to bring in families, trying to bring in people to have a great time. It's like why fight instead of make
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. And now I think that's a little, it's happened a little bit, I think online, like our Instagram and our TikTok. We're trying to build a community with other artists. Because it's, it's not a, uh, it's not really a competition. It's more we're very unselfish with the music. Yeah. We'll take input from anybody and if it's good, you know, we'll, we'll bring it in.
Use it.
Dave: I mean, these
Heath - Hecojeni: It hadn't [:Dave: have a spot
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: I, in theory.
Dave: to post a video, if you know how to pronounce the name of the
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. That's great.
Dave: Oh, they're not, they're not afraid of a little bit of, you know, criticism or any of that kind of shit. It's
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: I
Dave: their
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: am, I'm afraid of it. Jeff loves it. I love it.
Dave: Oh my God. Well, you know what though? It speaks because you're being who you are as people, right? Regardless if it's a website, if it's social media, if it's a music that you're putting at, it's like regardless of any scenario, if somebody is listening to band or is a part of the audience, they know what they're getting. You know, it's not like a Tom Petty situation, you know? No offense, I know he passed away, but it's like, it's not a Tom Petty situation. When you go to a live concert and the man's just a total shit bag, you get the same genuine person. Every single platform, every single place across.
- Hecojeni: Yep. Yep. That's [:Dave: And
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Lo Love it or leave it.
Dave: That's hard to do, man. Like I, I, I'm.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Well, it's harder. This man is the most comfortable in his skin of any human being I've ever met. I, I, I try to feed off it and try to be more like Jeff. Oh. I think it's harder to be different. I, that takes me energy. Like I, you never wake up in the morning like, man, I'm gonna try to be more like myself today.
Right. You, you gotta work the other way. Yeah. I'm gonna be more fake today. I'm gonna try to be different. That's true. That's true. But you never go, God, what would Jeff do? Sometimes I do. You don't say What would he do? Oh, no. I think What would Jeff do? Yeah. I'm just saying it's easy for you to be he Yeah.
True. I mean, I wouldn't say it's easy, but yeah. It's easier for you to be heed than for you to be ge. That's true. That's same. Same for me.
, you know, I'm currently in [:So I know how to talk to people. I know how to
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Dave: know? And it's wild to me because, you know, I think like, okay, most people know how to do this. out a lot of people don't know how to have a conversation and just talk and just break things down. But when you take something, like, for example, the two different personalities, right?
Where you have one person that's more comfortable being outward, you know? And for example, if you're, you know, you're not so comfortable of like being in front of audiences, in front of other people, that's fine. somebody to balance off of that,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: I. You know, a lot of times people find people that are very similar to them, and then they wonder why their relationship is not going the way that they want it to.
It's like,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Hmm. Mm-hmm.
ebody if you see only eye to [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's an old, uh, you know, idiom in the corporate world, you've got two people that think the same way. You really need one of 'em in your organization. You don't need two people that think the same way.
Dave: No,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: the purpose?
Dave: you don't get any creativity out of it either. You know, you don't
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yep.
Dave: I, I don't know what the, what it is. It's like I, I'm a car person, so you know, it's like either you get like a Toyota Corolla or you know, you get like a Mercedes, SLK, you know, it's like one, you could see like different people coming together and really building this car.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: a, it's a low rider, two-seater roader. That's powerful and it's freaking gorgeous. But then you have like this other practical car that obviously was probably made by people that think very similar. I mean, it just has one simple purse purpose. You just
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: there and drive,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. Yeah.
Dave: you just call the number to your dealership and then you're done.
on't have a Toyota, I have a [:Dave: though.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: I don't know. It it, but then he has the Mercedes. I just got the SL 500.
Dave: Oh, I love this
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: I
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: You speak my language.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mine is like old man car was super reliable. I put gas in it and that's it.
Change of oil. He car, there's 10,000 buttons. It's over engineered. I'm scared to, I'm scared to press a button in it. Uh, but, uh, I, I've finally got a running smooth and I, I, I love it. I haven't even turned the air on this summer. I take the top down everywhere I go,
Dave: Oh,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: take my shirt off, take top down, and I,
Dave: Red,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: white,
Dave: White. What's
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: white.
Pan leather, pan leather interior.
Dave: god.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: killing me
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: love,
Dave: man. Like now I need to come to Northern Carolina.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: yeah. Come on, come.
Dave: Oh God. But.
Pete's car. Yeah. Yeah. Now [:But I love to drive. I drive my car anywhere. I drive it out west if I had to. But I, I think the universe is winking on us with this podcast because you have mentioned three or four things now that have, have, uh, been relevant, so.
care of stuff. It will take [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm.
Dave: life.
If you fight and you're like, eh, I'll deal with it later. You're just gonna fuck yourself in the leg. I do like the fact that one of you has a Lexus and the other one has a Mercedes. I think that's a good
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah. Yep. And my mine is old. It has 258,000 miles on it. My goal is to get to a million. Yeah, you'll do it
Dave: year is it?
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni::Dave: It's crazy
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: But I.
ord and Stellantis, which is [:Like I, I, I like, I like the Ford F-150. It's nice. I probably take one from the nineties. I just. That's the thing too, man. Like just so much of what American, like being American, what we were proud of making and building here is just
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, I, when I bought this house here, this property down, I got two trucks with it Yeah. That are in various states of running, not running. Yeah. I'm scared of 'em. One of 'em, Jeff loves them, is a 79 uh, Ford, F three 50
Dave: easel or, um,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: gas. But it's a beast. And it's a beast. It has the, uh, utility, you know, piece to the back that was that steel.
Yep. And it is huge. And it, when you turn,
Dave: that is old school steel that will rust
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: turn it on, it sounds like you're driving a tank. It's awesome. It's stick Jeff
Dave: Oh god.
f and Heath - Hecojeni: and. [:And that car is ragged out the Ford's in better shape than the Dodge, actually. But I got these two trucks that kind of go with the property. Yeah,
Dave: I don't know. I mean, this kind of sounds like, you know, a, a song idea or maybe a
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: yeah, yeah,
Dave: idea. I'm just
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: yeah.
Dave: it out in the universe.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Cool.
Dave: Um,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: great talking. I gotta get going to my next thing, but I enjoyed it
Dave: pleasure. My man. Liz. Liz, again, like, I thank you guys so much for coming on and spending
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah, anytime.
Dave: um, to anybody that's out there. Where can you guys, uh, where can you guys, uh, find your website? Um, I know you guys are in SoundCloud. Do you have your music on any other platforms
cojeni: So, uh, so go to our [:Today's the 29th, so that's tomorrow. It's pretty exciting.
Dave: I love that man. Oh my. We, we covered a lot of shit. I mean, we
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
Dave: the arts, the spiritual Mercedes.
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: There you go. Great mind. I enjoyed it.
Dave: My
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Appreciate it, man. It was great to talk with you. Yeah. Let's do it again.
Dave: We should, we'll definitely do this one of these days. We gotta do round three,
Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: Yeah.
e and everywhere. Um, I will [:Jeff and Heath - Hecojeni: See.
