#242 - Interview with film maker Jaze Bordeaux

Interview with Jaze Bordeaux

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Jaze Bordeaux: [: 00:00:00

So it's an easier transition. And I'm like, sometimes, you know, you wonder, do you really give these people this much credit or is it just, um, it was something cool they came up with and thought it was different from what everybody else is doing in the market. Might be easy on the eyes and then they slowly develop into things.

Or do, do they actually have this methodical 20 year plan that to, to move people from physical devices to other types of like augmented, you know, reality stuff. You know what I mean?

Dave: It's [: 00:01:00

And then Apple kind of just comes along every couple years, says, Hey, we created this new idea. And it's like, Hey, Android's been doing this for years. Like, where have you been? You know? But at the same time, like, you're right. Like Apple has this tendency of doing things and I, I, I think we've talked about this before, I think that influence has to do where like, apple's in this like weird world, it's like where they're woke and extremely, progressively liberal, but at the same time they're like kind of supporting the middle.

rying to like, themselves as [: 00:02:00

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah. Yeah. Well, a Apple, I think, yeah, you're right. They're in this weird space because obviously they started like that and they evolved into this. Whatever they are right now, obviously they're, they're like, we, maybe they don't even know, right? Uh,

Dave: don't

Jaze Bordeaux: I mean, it's possible. They may not even know. Uh, but they evolved.

But, you know, in the, in, in like times past, like with these. Older companies, like, I don't know, like Sears comes to mind, right? And, and these old, they, they had like this lifecycle where they would peak and they would get so big, and then they were so big that they, it almost started working against them and they started to slow downward spiral into nothingness.

hink Apple is maybe aware of [: 00:03:00

Right?

Dave: I mean the, the, the funny part about it is, is that like, kind of always been a company where they focused very heavily on innovation and design. You know, like I think we both can remember a time where Apple was kind of that brand where it was hard enough to get music off the internet. It was kind of nice to have this device.

kind of what Apple was. It's [: 00:04:00

You want something that's simple, gives you kind of a direction. The, the issue is you're like, you're right. Is like, as something grows, it keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. It kinda lose its identity. I mean, this is not the only company that suffered from this. I mean, think about like rentals, know, electronic stores.

Like we had Circuit City Best Buy was massive. You know, there was Tower Records, blockbuster Hollywood videos. I mean, there was a ton of other places, but like they got to a point where they got so big, they weren't realizing what was blinding them, that they just withered away into nothing.

king right now, they may not [: 00:05:00

You know, I mean, particularly, I used to order or rent stuff from Netflix, but, you know, you'd get these cool indie films from different part of the world and you know, you'd mail it in, they mail it back to you and then you mail it back to them. And, and all. But, you know, blockbusters there with all their physical locations and I, I mean obviously for, since their inception, uh, I mean you had the small mom and pop type rental stores and then Blockbuster turned it into this spectacle of a, a thing.

It's just, it was a thing I'm gonna block. It's a blockbuster night. Right. And it was interesting to see that evolution because obviously. People at Netflix had a vision and they made a transition. They said, the future is this. They lost money for I think 12, 15 years when they transitioned to online streaming.

Uh, so obviously they had a [: 00:06:00

I think they're almost right back at that cycle again, where, okay, who are we right now again? Right? And where are we going? What are we doing? Uh.

Dave: you know, there, the idea that we forget is our involvement with entertainment. You know, particularly films, movie comedy shows, or just Broadway product. Just anything that's on the stage much came from interactions. You know, there was, again, like we were talking about, there's a time, there was a time where you'd get music.

You had to go somewhere [: 00:07:00

Jaze Bordeaux: You, you know, it's so funny you said that I was talking to my wife the other day. I'm obviously, as a filmmaker, I'm an avid movie fan. I still like the cinematic experience. I prefer to go to theaters. I, I prefer to watch stuff in the theaters versus at home. Uh, more specifically, I prefer to go to theaters where they have equipment and technology that I do not have at home.

ent kind of experience, but. [: 00:08:00

Right. And I noticed the price doubled in, in probably less than a year. All of a sudden it's 20 bucks just to see a regular film. Whereas it was, and then you look at the popcorn and all the stuff and it's like, whoa. That like almost. Like went two and a half times the price from last year. Right. And it's like, wow, okay.

ople. We can make our snacks [: 00:09:00

it. It's, it's, but we're in: 2025

I get it, but still. It's pretty alarming, right? Because you could see it right there in front of your eyes, like, wow, what is going on? Right?

Dave: Well, I, I think it also stems to people are, and even for myself, like you're craving experiences, you know, and I think something we've touched on before was one of the real ways of getting that with films these days. And one of the only ways of doing it yet it, it's cheaper than going into the movie theater.

Obviously there's [: 00:10:00

n it was actually announced, [: 00:11:00

And I'm sitting there like, wow, these, all of these people here are obviously having a shared experience. I know there's some people that were quite annoyed about it and other, I just, again, there's a time and place for everything. And I appreciate how the, the, the UK theater said, Hey, we're gonna have special screenings late at night, uh, for, for these types of crowds and normal families.

You can come at this time, time of the day. I, I appreciate that they got ahead of it and they did that. Uh, but I actually thought it was great to see people having such a great experience in there and they're just laughing and having a good time. And you'll never replicate that by yourself at home.

like, shoot, I, I wish, uh, [: 00:12:00

They won't get at home. That's why they're, they're going there, right.

Dave: And it's also we're, know, we forget one of the. Benefits and one of the drawbacks of being able to have the internet and have this ability of connecting literally across the globe. You know, people want more now than ever to have those physical interactions, you know, have that feared experience. You know, we're, we're talking about Minecraft, but there were attempts of trying this many years before. You know, a great example of it was Rocky Horror Picture Show that came out in the seventies. Like, I think if that movie came out in the time of the internet, it probably would've been a different story.

movie? Because these movies [: 00:13:00

'cause that really taps into where people's minds are the times.

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah. One of the most memorable, um, films I can speak to, uh, there's probably three of them. Uh, and, and I, and I can go through, but I'll, I'll call one out because it's more recent. In, in the past, I don't know if you remember the film, the Disaster Artist. I. It had, uh, James Franco as the lead. It was based on a true story about these guys who did this indie film called The Room and the Ridiculousness of the Making of the film.

Dave: I.

I don't know how many years [: 00:14:00

So I knew the film had a following and uh, I knew a lot about the background of the making of the original. So the, this, the Disaster Artist, I thought would be a fun film to go watch. And I went to the theater and I. When I wanted to go see it, I was shocked 'cause the theater was sold out and I'm talking about a 600 seat theater and I had to literally like sit in the front row, you know the where, where your, your neck is like, like looking up at the screen and it's so uncomfortable.

scenes because they knew the [: 00:15:00

Right? And it's like they just knew the film so well. They were reacting to like everything in there. Uh. Not like Minecraft movie, but, um, in, in more of a fun way, more of a fun way where I'm seeing people just laughing and this, they're like falling over and I'm like, if I watch this film at home, it would have been a completely different kind of experience than whatever I'm seeing right now.

Right. But that's, you don't get that every time. Uh, you know what I mean? Uh, in contrary to that, I'll say, uh, one of my favorite films under Stellar.

Dave: Oh

, I, I gripping, I wanted to [: 00:16:00

After that, I really went to go watch the, I wanted to watch the audience watching the film, and I just, uh, I was watching the audience, uh, on certain scenes to see how they reacting. There were some scenes where I'm like, everybody's on the edge of their seat right now and like, anticipation of what's going on.

And it speaks to Christopher Nolan and what he's doing in his work there. Uh, but literally I'm an observer of the audience. Watching the film, and I'm just watching how they're, although everybody's in their own like mindset, like gripped and focused on,

Dave: Yeah.

Jaze Bordeaux: on, um, the story,

Dave: Yeah.

Jaze Bordeaux: but yet it was almost like you could see all these people and it was like they're having a story in and of themselves, right.

That, that they're having a shared experience without knowing they were having a shared experience together. Right.

Dave: Well,

Jaze Bordeaux: um,

y loved about that movie, it [: 00:17:00

Jaze Bordeaux: Miller's planet. Yes. Yeah.

Dave: They don't realize

Jaze Bordeaux: I.

ip, they, I think it was like: 2018

Jaze Bordeaux: Yes.

Dave: that.

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah.

Dave: that just plays with your mind. You're just like, but the seam was only like five minutes.

itself, that was one of the [: 00:18:00

That was one of the scenes where I found everybody was literally on the edge of their seats. Sometimes they, we use that nail biting expression. I literally saw people almost nail biting. Right? Uh, and then, yeah, and then you get the shocker when he goes back to the, so much time has passed and his daughter's like grown up sending these videos and it's like, it, you're right.

It messes with your mind in a way, because it also speaks to our perception of time,

Dave: It's not

Jaze Bordeaux: right?

Dave: time is not real.

Jaze Bordeaux: It's,

Dave: not

Jaze Bordeaux: yeah.

t we use. That's what it is. [: 00:19:00

And that's what interstellar like opens up even to the very end. You see that its truth because. He is, he's the last of the Mohicans.

Jaze Bordeaux: Can you imagine if we. Stopped measuring time, do you think we would age? We, we would probably stop aging ourselves to a degree

Dave: Oh, that would

ould just stay exactly as we [: 00:20:00

That could be a, a whole sci-fi movie in and of itself. Right. Uh, but although I think there was one with Justin Timberlake, but,

Dave: there was,

Jaze Bordeaux: um.

Dave: was one around that idea. It came out in the seventies, I think it was called Logan's Run, where people I think lived, they had to like live until like 35 or something crazy like that. Like this idea of where like we don't follow the bidens of time, it's just there's the cycle and then once you finish the cycle, that's it.

We move on and that's it. like that is kind of the crazy tipping point of sci-fi. 'cause the second you start getting into those realms, like wormholes time, portals, time, travel time changes, like there's a

old, which is Star Trek. Uh, [: 00:21:00

Uh, I did get through that like a decade ago, and I've recently started Voyager again just because I wanna know what I was actually watching when I was a a kid,

Dave: Because it's

Jaze Bordeaux: because when I,

Dave: hard to remember

Jaze Bordeaux: yeah,

Dave: things that are going on

Jaze Bordeaux: it's. Well, and I remember watching those things like, oh, cool sci-fi effects, you know, makeup, costumes, alien space, space stations, spaceships, you know, all of that type of stuff.

hat I was watching. But they [: 00:22:00

It's like, oh, okay, so we're here essentially. Right. Uh, the only thing I think we haven't done is explored space. To my knowledge, maybe we have already. You never know. You never know. These days we might already be way out there. By the time we know about, it's like, oh yeah, by the way, uh, we establish the colony in this galaxy.

, oh, well we did that in the: 1950

something that gets lost in [: 00:23:00

Nobody wanted to put up that show at all. here you have this person that gave us Lucy, you know, that comes along and then like, here's this man's idea, which Gene Berry had a lot of science behind what he was creating. It wasn't just some sci-fi show. He really wanted to keep some realistic elements into it.

I don't think so, it's cool. [: 00:24:00

Jaze Bordeaux: Listen, if I had to bet whether or not we had the technology, I think I'm gonna put a bet that we have it somewhere in the world. And we, they, they just, we weren't told about it. And the only reason why I say that is 'cause I'm just looking, it's like we're having this huge conversation about ai, artificial general intelligence, artificial super intelligence.

And it's like, well, apparently the tech was out there seventies, sixties, right? It was, it was way back, uh, in time. So I, I don't know how I. Advanced. We are really, in terms of a lot of that technology, I'd like, I, I believe we're probably more advanced than we're, we're talking here than we even know. Right.

nd then eventually they come [: 00:25:00

We're just, we're, you know, and,

Dave: just touching

Jaze Bordeaux: you know, just touching the iceberg, right. So to speak, but.

years ago, maybe [: 00:26:00

Like something, something stinks, something really stinks over here

ties, where all of a sudden, [: 00:27:00

And then I think it's not that it wasn't there before, obviously we know the internet was around way before they deployed it. Yeah. Before it was deployed to the general public. But there was a point there where it feels like there was this mass acceleration. It was like. Almost methodical. Okay, we have to start here, move to here, move to there, move to there, move to there, move to there, and then boom, uh, end up eventually wherever it is that we're going, which is gonna be at the quantum computing levels with artificial super intelligence and all kinds of things happening.

Right? And um,

Dave: It's nuts. I

Jaze Bordeaux: yeah, it's.

s, right? But if you look at [: 00:28:00

So it's right. It blew up very quickly in a very short period of time. However, there were people 40, 50 years prior that were already getting those gears turning to get where we are today. We just don't see

Jaze Bordeaux: Well,

Dave: compact history.

Jaze Bordeaux: no, and if you wanna look at something even crazier, you, you know, when you watch, when I watch some of these documentaries on like Atlantis and some of these Lost Worlds and things they've dug up from the ground and found in remote places, and they're like, well, they have, there, there's evidence that other civilizations have had computing, uh, technology.

So it's not actually like [: 00:29:00

We just probably don't know how exactly right, because we just don't know our whole story, which that's a whole nother thing, right.

nd petroleum. However, these [: 00:30:00

Jaze Bordeaux: Well, exactly. And, and you're right. The, the limitation in our mindset I think is where the problem is.

Dave: Yeah.

d, and, and I'll give you an [: 00:31:00

He said, the biggest issue in the world today is critical thinking people, aren't they? They, they don't know how to think anymore. And so I'm always looking at things from a, a very critical thinking standpoint. So when I look at maps, for example, and the world is outlined, and, you know, depending upon where it's printed, uh, people like to create perceptions, you know, to make their country look bigger than the other one or whatever it is.

That's all, whatever. That's fine.

Dave: Yeah.

Jaze Bordeaux: Okay. I'm not calling out any names, names, but, uh, apparently that's, that's the,

Dave: Sorry, I have something in my

nent and walk over the ocean [: 00:32:00

Maybe that's just my inquiring mind that just wants to ask those questions and know, and it's like, but how would I know I'm not, you know, obviously maybe Elon knows because he has satellites in space, right?

Dave: That

Jaze Bordeaux: He may have a,

Dave: he's got his South African fingers all over the place.

Jaze Bordeaux: he's probably got satellites in other galaxies already. Just forgot to tell people. Right. And um, well there you go. If we have another colony and another galaxy, you know, it's probably Elon and they'll have a Tesla car out there. And he did actually launch one in the space a few years ago, so maybe he was sending it somewhere on purpose.

Right.

Dave: mean, way better publicity stunt than Katy Perry going up to space. I'm just saying, just saying

Jaze Bordeaux: [: 00:33:00

Dave: Way more sense.

Jaze Bordeaux: uh,

Dave: went to space. You know, clarify that too.

Jaze Bordeaux: listen, if you were offered the ride, would you take it?

Dave: Honestly. No, I

Jaze Bordeaux: What do you think? It's too early.

Dave: I, I think that as much as I love sci-fi and, and much as I love space travel and, you know, just the, you know, as I said, a final frontier. I don't think I'm a part of the generation that gets to experience that. I think that we're, my generation is the ones that get to see these things early, wise being built and then possibly the next generations maybe having that opportunity to venture out.

here they start act actually [: 00:34:00

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah, I lost Star Trek, right? They used to build them in space.

Dave: how else are you

Jaze Bordeaux: Literally.

Dave: that's traveling in space?

You're building it on earth all the

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah.

Dave: of gravity and physically

Jaze Bordeaux: Uh, yeah.

Dave: here.

Jaze Bordeaux: can only do it up there. You, you know. But, um. I feel like there's so much to discover on earth that we have yet to discover. The earth is so big and I've only seen maybe a, not even a fraction. I don't, I don't even know what it's called. And that's the stuff that I'm aware of. Yet along this stuff, I'm not even, we're not even aware of, and I'm sure there are things on this planet and places on this planet, we are not aware of it.

xplore. It would almost be a [: 00:35:00

Dave: No,

Jaze Bordeaux: there's a weird paradox in that, you know.

Dave: our own oceans. You know, I, I remember I saw a marine biologist where explained that if you take a glass. Just take one scoop of water from the ocean in a glass. He says that is how much of the ocean we've actually discovered. You know? And the cool thing is like you have filmmakers, I don't remember the name of this film, this came out a few years ago where it depicts this mining station that's at the bottom of the ocean

Jaze Bordeaux: Mm-hmm.

Dave: there's this series of incidents.

s giant trillion dollar like [: 00:36:00

Jaze Bordeaux: I think that was Godzilla versus some other creature. Right? That was uh,

Dave: a Godzilla movie. It was,

Jaze Bordeaux: okay,

Dave: I'm gonna find it.

Jaze Bordeaux: but yeah, but you're right. 'cause listen, I don't know how you look at the ocean. I mean, I can look at the ocean and see beauty, but at the same time it's scary because you're like, what is in there? Right. Obviously we know some things.

like, we don't even know, to [: 00:37:00

I get it. Okay. Yeah. Makes fine. Okay. Preserve humanity. Preserve the race. But still, uh, it's just, it's just going back to what we're saying. I don't think I could leave earth knowing I have yet to actually discover Earth. In pursuit of some other planet. It's kind of like it's a grass greener on the other side, but it's probably greener where you're watering it more than, more than anything.

Dave: Yeah,

Jaze Bordeaux: that, that's where, you know, it's, it's a tough one, right?

Dave: I found,

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah.

Dave: movie, by the way. It's cold underwater.

That speaks to itself. Yep. [: 00:38:00

Dave: was. It

Jaze Bordeaux: uh, I actually started watching it. I remember seeing it. Yeah. Yeah. It, but you know what? Hey, what are the chances of that? I think chances are pretty high. We don't know. We, well, as far as I know, you and I right now don't know what's under there, but maybe somebody does.

Uh.

to space, we have on our own [: 00:39:00

, to the world. Uh, and, um, [: 00:40:00

Dave: Yeah.

Jaze Bordeaux: uh, yeah, and I know some people have escaped and been pulled out or whatever the case may be, but we sent drones in there to watch 'em, observe.

They've studied their language, everything right? And, but they don't have any knowledge of the metropolitan world that we're living in. They're, they're over there and like. Like the jungles, uh, in a very tiny space on this planet. And we're, we're in these huge metropolitan cities, technology, cars, airplanes, transit, this, that, you know, the electronics, everything's moving so fast.

mselves or whatever. We know [: 00:41:00

Is the opposite also true? Uh, are there things we're not seeing and are there people looking at us like that? Right. Uh, just, just it's, it's a different perception, right? Just like time, uh, the perception is like everything, right? How we're perceiving it. Uh, you know, so, so that's why I said there, and, and to speak to your point, yeah.

What can we discover here that could translate to wherever it is, Elon wants to take humanity, right? You know what I mean?

that have no connection to, [: 00:42:00

You give them the internet, they're gonna start watching porn, they're gonna start, you know, procrastinating. They're gonna go outta their, like, they're not gonna know how to function and, and like be able to like live a normal life that they were before you're exposing them to something they've never had ever before in their entire lives. You know? that is also the, the caveat to this, right? Where it's not only being able to explore and understand our own planet, but also to understand the consequences to our own actions. It's like, yeah, it's great to have all of these things, but look what these things can do Also.

t that. Number one, uh, just [: 00:43:00

Right. To and just study, understand, evolve, uh, you know, various things like that. But you can't go back, like once you do something like that to a a, there's no going back. There is no, you know, that, that's when you'll have like the youth essentially asking, uh, questions. They'll probably start thinking critically and saying, wait a minute, is there a world I.

Outside of this space, should we pack up and start hiking and go discover? Right. Uh, the, the, the, so it can ne you can never go back from something like that. Right. And I don't know, maybe that was intentional,

see from that is, especially [: 00:44:00

Um, there have been a lot of large tribes in Canada and the United States where they rely on the internet. on websites to be able to document their language, their culture, their history. They have international events where they bring tribe members from different states or from Canada that come to. Because like they're so scattered and broken up into small little territories and areas where this is how they can survive. Because once you give this to a pla a, a tribe, or a people that had no connection to the outside world, they either get destroyed and assimilated or die of disease or survive and have to adapt.

dy else, even though they're [: 00:45:00

Jaze Bordeaux: Mm.

Dave: know? I mean, they've been here

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah.

Dave: of years and they have to like justify why they're here. It's a little interesting.

Jaze Bordeaux: Hey, can you imagine some of these tribes that you're mentioning? They get starlink and they find YouTube, and they're going through YouTube and they find a documentary about their tribe, and all of a sudden they're watching themselves on the screen. Imagine how trippy that would be for the mind, just to try to get their, almost like the Truman show in real life for them.

ed. A group of humans on the [: 00:46:00

I, Hey, listen, this is the stuff sacrifice is made of. Right.

Dave: and I, I, again, like we were talking before, we, we really have not discovered a large portion of our oceans, you know, and if you can think of some type of highly advanced species or something. I think if they would be living anywhere, they would be living in the oceans. on earth would you wanna live on land? Meteors. Asteroids better live in the water. You know the planet gets destroyed. You're fine. Look,

Jaze Bordeaux: Good point.

Dave: sci-fi

Jaze Bordeaux: Good point. Yeah.

Dave: be in the ocean. Screw the land.

ns all blended together, but [: 00:47:00

Dave: Nope,

Jaze Bordeaux: they have their, their lines and borders and, and they don't, uh, it doesn't intersect. Uh, isn't that something that the water itself could obviously is probably a, a, a being or a life form, but you're right.

Just, just like the earth is. It's a living thing. But yeah. I, you know, under the water, again, I love to sit on a beach and just watch the ocean roar and the waves and the blue and the sun light bouncing off the water and it's beautiful. It's zen. It's so many, many, many things.

Dave: Pilates. Yeah.

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah. But then, but then, you know, you start thinking about it.

very, well, for me, it'd be [: 00:48:00

Which, as you said, is a fraction of whatever it is. Right.

Dave: And were talking about, even with the division of the oceans. We know that there are species that even though that they're from the same gene pool, if they're from the Atlantic Ocean and then from the Pacific, they're two completely different species. Like the same gene pool, so they're made up of the same genes, different patterns, different scales, different fins, different bone structure. You know, you have creatures in there that are millions sometimes like even sharks that are 60 million years old. You have lizards like alligators and crocodiles, which were round in the times of the dinosaurs that partially in water and live on land. Like, think about that for a second. Some of the oldest species on the planet live in our ocean floors.

Jaze Bordeaux: [: 00:49:00

Dave: there's a

Jaze Bordeaux: We don't know. Like, yeah, as you said, the, the, the what, whatever's going on under the oceans would've survived any of the stuff that happened on the surface.

Dave: found a 60 million year old fish last year that they thought went extinct. 60 million year old fish, and it, the species stayed exactly the same that it was 60 million years ago now. Crazy.

know what I mean? So to sit [: 00:50:00

That's only one scenario out of like so many things that could happen over the course of like. The human story from start to finish whenever the start was and whenever the finish would be. Right. It's just a, a sliver. Just a small little,

Dave: Little, little slice,

Jaze Bordeaux: yeah.

Dave: $7 slice from from Gelson's, you know, just,

eah. Yeah. We, we just don't [: 00:51:00

And there is some thought that there are tribes in parts of the world that may have evolved from some type of, um. A species, uh, that came from the water. Right. It's just all theory, all thought. Um, I, I try not to look at anything where it's finite, but you always want to explore possibilities, right?

Because, like you said, there's so much we don't know.

in so well with filmmaking, [: 00:52:00

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah.

Dave: Who

Jaze Bordeaux: I,

Dave: Who cares?

Jaze Bordeaux: I feel like sometimes people forgot that. Uh, sometimes a movie is just a movie.

Dave: a

Jaze Bordeaux: Um, and, and you just need to suspend your disbelief. Um, you know what I mean? Interstellar had a broader theme, a message. There again, uh, you, you know what's an interesting one? Uh, I fast and furious is, is fa I, I mean, I like watching the Fast and Furious films.

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Dave: miles?

Jaze Bordeaux: Oh yeah. And you see Vin Diesels superhuman and doing all these crazy stunts. But, uh, to me, I, I mean, the more ridiculous they get, the more I enjoy it.

But then I hear people, they complain, this is not possible. The car can't fly in space. A human can't do this. And it's like, well, what happened to just having a good time and being entertained and suspending your disbelief with this? It's not always about having every like thing as accurate as possible.

rson would never say it. The [: 00:54:00

And it's like, come on. You're there to have to be entertained, have a good time, suspend disbelief. And I'm like. Are people still capable of suspending disbelief? I ask that question every once in a while. Right? I wonder about that. Just because we started like looking at films from such an analytical standpoint and almost weaponizing them, and I'm like, Hmm, are we still able to suspend our disbelief for two hours, 90 minutes, couple hours just to like, you know, kind of get swept up into whatever's happening in the, in the world of this film?

I, I mean, I'm like, I like to think we can, but I'm not a hundred percent sure sometimes, right? I.

ls too, which I'm just like, [: 00:55:00

ality. You need that. It's a [: 00:56:00

Jaze Bordeaux: Well, okay. Yeah. That, that's, yeah. Those are different. Those, those are, yeah. You're, you're recreating something. Historical, factual, all of that. So yeah, obviously attention to details is important, but um, still there was a shift in the audience somewhere. I don't know what caused it. And I'm not talking about so much international audience, I'm talking more about North America.

Um, I don't know where some of the jadedness came in, but some, something did change somewhere and I'm not sure where, how, or why. Right.

Dave: recent, and this may seem a little bit bizarre, uh, was when they came out with the movie Judy, which was based off of Judy Garland,

Jaze Bordeaux: Mm-hmm.

the way that they portrayed [: 00:57:00

You have all the people that are coming there saying, you know, here's to the women, here's to the feminism, da, da, da. And they're going, this is not, this is not a way, this is, this is a way of just pissing people off. It's like you're either gonna tell a freaking story, or if you're gonna tell a historical story, tell it the way that it is. throw in goddamn fluff and call it fiction. Don't call it nonfiction,

k sometimes when you're, uh, [: 00:58:00

I wanna know what I was watching when I was a kid. Um, what were the themes in these episodes? What, uh, what were they trying to portray? Right? And what was the ideology and what was all these things? 'cause I know, looking back it did impact me. So I'm just curious as an adult, um, you know, where, you know, what was planted in my consciousness.

Right?

Dave: that

Jaze Bordeaux: Um.

Dave: develop. Yeah.

mindset and, and that would [: 00:59:00

Even us talking right now, uh, is impactful. Imagine the person listening to this in a tomorrow or a few years from now, whatever. There's one thing they heard. It's, it's almost like a seed in their consciousness, and then it, it takes root and it starts to like grow. In 10 years, 20 years. There, uh, again, this was the, the whole, uh, point behind the movie inception.

when, when you have to, uh, [: 01:00:00

Uh, we were in Sicily in December, uh, um, the film we dropped last year. We were at the, uh, Paladino International Sports Film Festival. Uh, we had a great time and we, we, I was there with the cast and crew of the film.

Dave: name of the film?

Jaze Bordeaux: EFC and um, we were nominated for seven awards at the festival. We won one for best director, uh, which I guess that was me.

DP was there, Jason, and he, [: 01:01:00

He goes, uh, there's some footage I need to capture for a documentary I wanna work on. And so I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm like, oh, you're going here to work, right? And he said, yeah, he says so. And he started explaining it to me and, and he was pointing it out over there. He said, the movie The Godfather.

fe. Okay? Um, but apparently [: 01:02:00

And these types of characters you saw in the movie The Godfather. Um, so much so that it became a thing over there. And I don't, I don't wanna really speak to any one particular, uh, side of, of this debate. Um, but it was just interesting. I just wanted to note, and because we're talking about how much, um, little things affect the psyche, that there was a whole generation, uh, who grew up kind of romanticizing a particular lifestyle and particular characters.

d doing all of those things. [: 01:03:00

But I think from a filmmaking standpoint, there is, you, you gotta have some type of awareness of what you're depositing in that, in, in the ethos. You know, you just don't know where the seeds are gonna land. And I heard Denzel Washington, which was when he did training Day, the one he won the, uh, um, Oscar for.

gonna watch this, they have [: 01:04:00

So he made sure that when the film was done, uh, that was represented. Right? Uh, I guess he had that awareness that he doesn't want to put that out there in the ethos. So it had to, uh, culminate in a certain way be because that's the realistic outcome of, you know, certain people taking certain actions that just be, I guess I'm talking in a very nice way here.

know a lot of that happens, [: 01:05:00

And it's like, wow, okay. Those are very strong words, right? Uh, really strong words. And I'm like,

Dave: Well,

Jaze Bordeaux: this is insane.

were, they were that pillar [: 01:06:00

It's not just, you know, going over for Thanksgiving dinner and then pulling out a gun at Vinny, you know, and shooting him cold blood in front of 13 people. Like, it's a lot more layered in detail than that. That's what like, I, I think I understand where you're coming from too. It's like nonfiction. You can play around with as much as you want.

be the best storyteller, but [: 01:07:00

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah,

Dave: very sideways. easily.

Jaze Bordeaux: yeah. Very, very easily. And uh, but on the flip side to that, and I know me personally, like a lot of the work I'm focusing on going into the future, uh, it's, I. Uh, I mean, again, I may not be around to see if it ever takes root or not, but I would hope if I was around and the thought took root, that it would be in a positive, uh, spin.

richest nation in the world, [: 01:08:00

Contrast that it's mind-boggling, right? Sometimes if you really, really, really think about it, and you can look at the money system, the monetary system, and I, I often like to say it's pretty much a winner and loser situation. Someone has to lose for somebody to gain. No different than a lottery. You could have 14 million people put a dollar, uh, into the lottery and it's essentially, you're almost one out of 14 is gonna win.

happens if we got rid of it?[: 01:09:00

Listen. So is there a different way to, to, uh.

Dave: Yeah, there is.

Jaze Bordeaux: It to, to, uh, is there a different type of monetary system we could utilize? And, um. And, and these are things that I'm trying to explore in, in, in, in future stuff. But I would like to think that just proposing the ideas and maybe, uh, putting certain ideas out there.

And by the way, I grew up, uh, like debating this for the longest, longest times. And, and, uh, going back I realized where the inception point came from. Again, that's why I said a lot of my worldview was shaped by TV shows. I was watching as a kid. I can see episodes in Star Trek where they were arguing about this system because they had evolved to a place where money was no longer.

d earth century like archaic [: 01:10:00

Dave: Yeah.

Jaze Bordeaux: um, operating right

Dave: in, think about in Star Trek, how a lot of the times when they would interact with different species, would try to do trade. So, you know, even looking at next generation, one of the things that they would do is they would find a plan and try to interact with the species and, you know, either they maybe have needed minerals or something from that planet and they would figure out a way of trading with these creatures or these beings. Again, like I don't think you ever really see money used in Star Trek. Like very rare, maybe like in one of those like archaic species that are still using coins or some digital, remember they had in the eighties, they, they used to think of them as like placard. They looked like those CD rom cars. Right, right.

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah.

e living is very archaic. If [: 01:11:00

Jaze Bordeaux: But until you have these conversations and you explore these ideas, uh, sometimes when I just present that concept, I'm hit with a lot of resistance immediately without hesitation. That's impossible. We can never live in a barter society.

Dave: It's not

Jaze Bordeaux: And I'm like, wait a minute. I didn't say anything about that. I'm just proposing the question.

Right.

Dave: lived a

Jaze Bordeaux: Um,

Dave: before. It's only recently in the

Jaze Bordeaux: yeah.

filmmakers such as yourself [: 01:12:00

, there were opportunities I [: 01:13:00

But I always knew that those pathways would never allow me to do the things I really, really wanted to do. Like, for example, the, the next film, uh, one of the ones I'll be doing Genesis, it's about original thought theory about how, um, this is a world that has gotten to the point where there's no more original thoughts.

So every thought that could be thought has already been thought. And it's more about how do you. Get back to that place where those thoughts could be free flowing again. And it's really more about not doing the things that keep us from having those thoughts, um, in order to allow us to have those thoughts again.

ncepts that I really, really [: 01:14:00

Maybe it's nothing, absolutely nothing, right? Or maybe it is something like, here we are, I think Gene Roddenberry's, we've been talking a lot about Star Trek that for, for our time together here. And that was something that. Okay. What did the original series come out in the late sixties or something like that?

Okay, so if it's: 1964

Dave: years.

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Um, and here we are at: 2025

Dave: It

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah, it holds up.

Dave: even after all

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah.

Dave: And how many things, even as you as like, you know, being, we both being creative and loving the arts and filmmaking and television shows, how many things that are that old hold up? I can maybe think of five things on my fingers. Not many.

Jaze Bordeaux: It's, there's not a lot today, even as you go back to music, I, there are songs I hear and I'm like, well, will we still be playing this in 20 years? Are people even gonna remember this song? Um, it just, it feels different, right? Um, I, I, and again, I can't explain why, I don't know if, just because things are just moving at such a fast pace right now.

e, for example, you can have [: 01:16:00

t came out, the original from: 2000

t's it. Uh, most of 'em have [: 01:17:00

Dave: I guess I'm

Jaze Bordeaux: They've never watched the film. Yeah. But they know, they know the concepts, they know everything about it. They've seen the clips on TikTok. Right. And, uh, but they, and they'll, they could tell you everything about the film, having never seen the film, uh, the concept that was behind it, the concept of being in, in this kind of, um, um, matrix, this, um, this whole scenario.

But I'm fascinated by the fact that a lot of them I've spoken to have never seen the film, but yet they can tell me everything about it. The concepts, the ideas, the belief, and I'm like, this is a good example of a film that has really kind of stood the test of time. Right. It, it still kind of, at times feels as relevant as it, it probably felt like it was more relevant now than it was back when it came out.

Right.

Dave: Isn't it

Jaze Bordeaux: Um.

teresting on how movies that [: 01:18:00

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah,

maybe there something about being authentic to just the story you're trying to tell without any hidden agendas and Yeah,

Dave: authentic.

Jaze Bordeaux: we lo

Dave: Is that even a word?

Jaze Bordeaux: could you imagine

authentic in the, in the age of um, of, you know, it's funny 'cause you start scrolling through things like TikTok and stuff and it's like, I've got to the point where I've determined a while ago, I will believe nothing. I see, uh, on social media, even if it's true, I don't believe it. That's my first response.

Uh, because [: 01:19:00

Okay? Yep, that was true. All right, I see what's going on. I believe that, right? And so I wonder if more people are doing what I'm doing now and just not believing anything because things out there have gotten a little ridiculous to a degree. And maybe by doing that, um, all of the power that, um, maybe we have given so many organizations, um, in terms of, uh, disinformation, uh, maybe, maybe we're taking it away if more people are doing that.

I don't know [: 01:20:00

Dave: I love how like, you know, we, we talk about insight and I love how, like on this podcast right now, we have a filmmaker that like being like, Hey, you know, those like reels you've been watching for like hours. I don't think the information is a hundred percent accurate and like, you're like the best person for this example.

'cause like the amount of content you sift through, it's like you could sniff the bullshit a mile your way. You're like, nah. Yeah, this is, this is

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah.

Dave: in its finest.

ng at how it was playing out [: 01:21:00

Like, did somebody write a script on this? Because okay, you're charging each tariffs, we're doing this now, and then all of a sudden there's, uh, people were getting bombed with, um, a lot of content from, I guess, um, China, where they're like, well. By the way, you can come to this factory because this is where these shoes that you like are made.

You just buy it from us directly. You're welcome to come here. We won't, um, charge you anything. It's just pay for your air for and come get your stuff. Right. And it's just,

Dave: give you free

Jaze Bordeaux: I'm watching this. Yeah. It's like I'm watching this stuff and I'm like, alright. Okay. This, this is, um, theater at its finest. Right.

Dave: We, we,

Jaze Bordeaux: Um.

industry for music and film [: 01:22:00

It has to be like, [: 01:23:00

Jaze Bordeaux: It's a whole new world. Right? It's, it's, it's, it's, and that's why I think, like, for example, like what you're doing with this podcast, you've got, I've, I've been going back and listening to a lot of your, your podcasts with different guests and, and, and you, you've had a, a variety of people.

Dave: Some

Jaze Bordeaux: Just different backgrounds.

Yeah, different backgrounds, different experiences, different, uh, podcasts in general I think are great because you're being exposed to, uh, for example, we're having a real conversation right now. There's nothing manufactured about this. Uh, there, there wasn't,

e, we're gonna go with it. I [: 01:24:00

Dave: you,

Jaze Bordeaux: And, uh.

Dave: a lot and I mean, I really appreciate, especially like you going over with your films, and you know, just your expertise in the industry because again, like that's something that gets lost. It's like, yeah, it's great to be an expert, but. You know, you actually living the life?

Is, is this, you know, either a hobby that's part of your life and then you're having something else that's keeping yourself financially stable? Is this your main focus on a day-to-day basis? These things matter. This is how we interact as people in industries, in environments, in media. You know, and it's, it's important to bring these things up and talk about them.

'cause they're important. It's not just a 32nd reel, you know, on

e before. And uh, I see like [: 01:25:00

Dave: So many, so many.

Jaze Bordeaux: Uh,

Dave: Uh.

Jaze Bordeaux: yeah, it's, it's insane. And, um, uh, and sometimes I look at, uh, a lot of people who were, um, everybody's an entrepreneur, of course. Uh, and, and I find it funny because there was a time, I remember even in the nineties, early two thousands, people, like entrepreneurs, it wasn't a very glorified thing. Right. Um, good luck trying to get money from a bank as an entrepreneur or whatever, right?

a lifelong entrepreneur. Uh, [: 01:26:00

But, uh, it's just, I, I just, yeah, I, I mean, just to what you're saying, it's, you gotta, you got, I think Neil deGrasse Tyson called it, we're living in a time where critical thinking may be the most important asset to any human being right now. You know, just being able to ask the question, why, what if, what's the purpose?

You know, just, just questions right outta curiosity. Just, just, you know, uh, you know, amazing sometimes, right?

easy, nothing comes without [: 01:27:00

Jaze Bordeaux: Especially in an age where a lot of the information and access to resources is so readily available, right? It's just a little bit of effort and, um, going to search for it, but it's there, right? Um, access to people, um, resources, information. It's, it's just more than ever, you know, more than ever.

Dave: It is. Um, what was I gonna ask? Oh, to ask you, 'cause I know we went over, you have, um, a new movie that's coming out next year? Next year, right. Genesis

Jaze Bordeaux: Uh, next year we have another film coming out. It's a psychological romantic thriller called Let Go,

Dave: I.

different European [: 01:28:00

He, he's kind of stuck in a past, uh, where uh, he had a girlfriend that had went missing and he had so many unresolved answers and questions and he just never got over it. And he goes there searching for her or answers and. And I don't want to give too much away, but essentially he finds her again or he finds someone who thinks is her.

t also has Carly Rose in it. [: 01:29:00

And, um, so yeah, that one we're excited. Two excited. Four, uh, Genesis we're in, uh. Development for it right now, looking to move quickly into pre-production and, and we'll probably be going in production with it late next year. Um, again, that one is the one quite excited about, uh, I call it Nolan level, you, you know what I mean?

ere that we want to explore. [: 01:30:00

But I feel like, um, again, if you wanna look at the inception point for a lot of those themes, as an adult, I realized where they were coming from, right? So I took maybe what Gene Roddenberry started, and I, I feel like I'm gonna take it to the next place, right? That, that next

Dave: It is. It's

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah. The, with Genesis. Uh, and so that's one of the reasons why I'm so excited about that.

And, and right after that is the other one, uh, interesting because sometimes we talked about measuring time earlier and stuff like that, and I realize we're at a point where I talk to a lot of people, especially Gen Z. Uh, things, if they don't happen. Instantly. It's like, it's not a success, it's been a disaster.

. [: 01:31:00

Exactly how we see Bitcoin and crypto. Um. The, the story is so much deeper than that, but we actually explore what the collapse and what the world without the monetary system could look like. It's just never been the right time to do that film. It's still not quite there yet, but I believe, uh, after we get Genesis done, it's gonna be the right time, uh, for that.

feel like it could be better [: 01:32:00

It, you can't really put a measure. It's just when it's right, it's right.

Dave: Yeah.

Jaze Bordeaux: that's it. That's all there is to it, you know.

ould have not came out in the: 1970

lms together. I think that's [: 01:33:00

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah, the, it's just, just being in touch with it and knowing it, and there's so many examples. Um. Megaopolis came out colos film recently, and that's a film I feel as though if it came out in the nineties, would've probably been a blockbuster movie on every level of every spectrum.

Dave: he

Jaze Bordeaux: came out a little.

Dave: waited

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah.

Dave: He waited way too late to come out with this movie.

ilm in the seventies or that [: 01:34:00

I don't know, obviously for obvious reasons they wanna capitalize on it, but

Dave: Do not do

Jaze Bordeaux: I at least they tried it 30 years after the first time, and it took better than it did the first time. You know, it was a, a huge hit, you know? Uh, so yeah, sometimes you can't, you just have to weigh it out, uh, move with some instinct and you can't really put a time or measure time around things.

Sometimes it's just now for this and then a different time for something else, right? So,

Dave: Yeah.

because that started back in: 2010

ved, um, the closer we get to: 2030

Dave: ago.

Jaze Bordeaux: um, yeah, it was a while ago. Yeah. And, and what's scary about that script is to see the events that have taken place. Sometimes I'm like, did I write the future?

What? I go back, I'm like, Hmm. This is weird 'cause it's in the script. Right. And, um, uh, so maybe, yeah, so I could, so yeah. Alright, so on that note before we wrap up, maybe that's how Gene Roddenberry was, uh, writing his stuff. He was tapping into something and, uh, downloading these stories into the ethos of things and, and if he was alive today, he'd be like, did I write the future?

You [: 01:36:00

Dave: Kind of did in a way.

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah. I kind of did.

Dave: was wrong about: 2024

: Wait, what did he say about: 2024

Dave: was, so this is kind of a little bit in the Star Trek lore. Um. The series is kind of focused, you know, three centuries into the future.

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah.

e to prove it wrong. But you [: 01:37:00

Jaze Bordeaux: yeah,

Dave: like who's gonna prove that wrong?

Jaze Bordeaux: yeah. The future, the future will judge on our behalf, right? Yeah.

Dave: not our problem.

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah.

Dave: um. Before we, uh, before we wrap up, Jay, I, I did wanna ask you a question. I know you got a website. Uh, where can, where can these people find your films? What's like the easiest place for them to find it?

Jaze Bordeaux: Uh, well, IMDB, so you probably, if you wanna just go look. Well, you can find me on any platform, uh, at my name, Jay's Bordeaux, and from there just click on some links. Uh, you'll probably get to IM db and on IMDB, you can see the full repertoire of, uh, stuff in development, uh, stuff that's out, stuff that's about to come out.

t doesn't matter. Instagram, [: 01:38:00

Right.

Dave: I think that's amazing. You know, like you're not only just getting one place, but you're getting all of 'em. It's like, you know, I'm not just on TikTok, I'm on all of them.

Jaze Bordeaux: All of them that exist as of the time we're talking right now. Who knows what tomorrow's gonna be, but hey, you know what, before we go, I, there was one podcast I heard you talking about Snapchat. I am not on Snapchat. I still either can't figure out what that is and

Dave: oh my God. I'm not alone. I'm, I don't know what it is. Is it a messaging app? Is it a social

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah.

Dave: What the hell is it?

Jaze Bordeaux: Yeah. I just heard the other day people are still using, I'm like, that's still around

Dave: I'm like,

Jaze Bordeaux: this. That thing won't go away, huh? It's still.

Dave: no.

Jaze Bordeaux: still there,

Dave: Oh my God.

Jaze Bordeaux: so, uh, but [: 01:39:00

Dave: Oh my God. You know what, it's okay though. You know what, like I'm gonna, what I usually try to do is, 'cause I've started doing Substack for these episodes, you know, for anybody that feels like you're a dinosaur and you're like, I don't have time for all, I will leave a link for Jay's IMDB page on there. All you gotta do is click that orange button and then bang, all shit's right there.

Jaze Bordeaux: A la: 2025

is train and, uh, the Swiss, [: 01:40:00

But it took me six months going around. The video places trying to describe this movie. There's this movie and it has Michael Douglas in it. And obviously Michael Douglas at that point had, had done so many films and it has so in, so in it. And they were in this uniform and there was something about a train

Dave: my

Jaze Bordeaux: and there was this, it took six months of describing that to video store people.

tores and I ended up at some [: 01:41:00

he title of the film. Now, in: 2025

Dave: it. No more six months people, no

Jaze Bordeaux: yeah,

Dave: now, you

Jaze Bordeaux: we're not in those, we're not in those archaic days anymore, right? Just click a link. Boom, right there.

his. You know, we need to be [: 01:42:00

Jaze Bordeaux: Hopefully, hopefully too, because it's, because a lot of artists, and, and I know you can relate to this too, they, I feel like, uh, some of the messages I'm hearing people are get, feel like they're getting lost in, in, in the grandness of whatever's going on. We haven't, we didn't even talk about AI or anything like that, but

Dave: okay.

Jaze Bordeaux: um,

Dave: Somebody else is

Jaze Bordeaux: it's just for,

Dave: talked, talked

Jaze Bordeaux: yeah.

re and, and just let it come [: 01:43:00

Right? Just do your thing, be you.

Dave: Yeah. And you know what? To that point, I mean you can get lost in the groove and listen to this podcast. You wanna check out more of the podcast? Of course. You could find us a lost in the Groove Pod. Jason, like I said, thank you so much man, for

Jaze Bordeaux: I.

Dave: to all y'all. If you wanna catch out more of this podcast, us out next time.

Alright, peace out. Ah.