Episode 234
#234 - Interview with adult entertainer Pepper Kat
Former news producer turned adult entertainer. Pepper Kat joins the pod for an honest, boundary-pushing conversation. We explore male loneliness, the reality behind online desire. Seeing what society still gets wrong about sex and connection. The constant disrespect for adults being adults.
Pepper shares the vision behind Spicy Spectrum—her AVN-nominated podcast. Of course, how "Design Your Dreamgirl" is breaking taboos in the most human way. This episode unpacks what happens when we stop shaming fantasy. Start by asking real questions. About emotional intimacy, vulnerability, and why so many men feel disconnected.
Where to Find the Guest?
🌐 Website: https://www.pepperkat.com/designyourdreamgirl
🎧 Work: Spicy Spectrum Podcast with Pepper Kat. Sexuality, Society & Culture, Relationships, Health & Fitness.
https://www.spicyspectrumpodcast.com/
📲 Social: Follow Pepper @spicyspectrumpodcast
And of course, you can find all the links for L.I.T.G, and where to listen at:
Transcript
Lost in the Groove Podcast
um i just I was just like, just straight up curiosity.
::Pepper Kat
Okay.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
um
::Pepper Kat
Oh, did you, I mean, I can, I can like expand and entirely.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Yeah, please.
::Pepper Kat
don't know if it'll be included in the recording or not. But again.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
um Well, the thing is, like, you can... Describe it any way that you want. you know, I really, i hate having like those generic, like basic questions because I feel like everybody has their own like personal experience, obviously. Like you started from somewhere, you built yourself up, you've kind of been able to make your own platform.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And i like those personal stories. It's not a general story. You know, it's like, it's you more than anything else.
::Pepper Kat
Okay.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, yeah, sure. um So I was a well, I'll start from the beginning. i'm I went to college, I majored in psychology, and I studied media studies, and then I went off to grad school um to study media and TV, television,
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
OK.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
okay
::Pepper Kat
And after grad school, I was a news producer. i worked in the industry for about three plus years in news. um And it was great, but I really didn't enjoy it as much. It was amazing.
::Pepper Kat
It's a very intense environment, and also the pay isn't great. So um I wanted to find something new and different, and and came across this person who was a phone sex operator, and I was really curious. So I learned more about phone sex operating and being a cam model, and i thought, well, why not try out a little bit of it, but live a double life to not really jump into it as much.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
People will think this is a complete movie, but like this is total reality right here.
::Pepper Kat
so
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
It's crazy.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah. I, when I was a news producer, I also sold panties on the side and i did camming and live cam rooms, but with like mask that hid half of my face because I didn't want the people at my job to know what I was up to when I wasn't in the newsroom.
::Pepper Kat
And I found that I was really great. I was a great phone sex operator. My customers loved me. i camming. People loved my personality. And decided...
::Pepper Kat
decide it
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
comments of just I'm kind of kind of seeing why, yeah.
::Pepper Kat
and And I decided, you know what? I don't like this job, and I'm just going to take a leap of faith and do phone sex for a couple of months and see what happens.
::Pepper Kat
So I did, and i I did pretty well. And then so finally someone was like, hey, I love having phone sex with you. Can I see you on camera? And that's when i was like, well...
::Pepper Kat
I have nothing else to lose. So then I, i yeah, I did one-on-one cam shows without a mask and used toys and just went it all out.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Kind of true.
::Pepper Kat
And then now, today, and after doing that, um I started... Design Your Dream Girl, which is a fantasy fulfillment, authentic connection with me where I offer cam camming, messaging, as well as custom videos that someone may want to explore.
::Pepper Kat
um but that's what I do now. And then I also have my podcast, Spicy Spectrum, where I dive deep into male content. desire as well as sexuality from adult entertainer's point of view.
::Pepper Kat
i feel like there's a lot when it comes to male sexuality and adult entertainment that align, but we don't often talk about or discuss.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
so the the The issue i feel the most is there's not enough representation
::Pepper Kat
um So. Mm hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
were Okay, let's be honest. There's an agenda to push that you know sex work is considered OnlyFans, and you know you have the porn stars, you have like some of these gay people that go ahead and interview. like The reality is you have real passionate people throughout, like you said, the spectrum. You know you could you go from like escorts, and then the other side is you have strippers, you can have exotic dancers.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Go-go dancers is a great example.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
These are all performers and entertainers. you know It is a form of entertainment and art. And it dates back even thousands of years ago. The Greeks saw this as entertainment and art.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
The Romans saw this as entertainment and art. Yeah, they had a lot of problems and issues, but it's a part of adulthood. We have fetishes. We fantasize about things. We want to try new intimate experiences.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Right? I'm not alone here. hope not.
::Pepper Kat
No, yeah. I mean, it is. i think... i I do understand people's concern when it comes to like when people take those platforms and they misuse them for illegal activity.
::Pepper Kat
But consensual entertainment is a part of what makes us human. um I don't know why all of a sudden people are like against like sex work when strip clubs have been around forever.
::Pepper Kat
um But I think we should normally.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And some of those girls work their fucking asses off, okay? They are real performers, all right?
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, it's a lot of work.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
It's like, come man. like i have some freaking respect. You try dancing on a freaking pole. Deadass.
::Pepper Kat
It's a lot of work.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
you Yeah, and you're like, they got a weird, like, specific type of heels. They usually have to be, like, really high. i like...
::Pepper Kat
Your arm, like, yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Yeah, you got to build muscle strength. and like I knew a stripper that I spoke with. She used to work out. So she used to have like this like workout cardio. She had two kids. She was a single mom.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Okay, like she's trying to support herself. She likes fitness, and she's great at dancing. And she happens to have chose that as her feeling, regardless of the circumstances.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Why is that bad?
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
i i don't know. i just It's hard for me to understand the other side. That's my issue.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, I think people are... I don't know if it's just here in the States, but I don't know. I think people are so shameful of sex and masturbation and people embracing that.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
yeah
::Pepper Kat
And that makes people feel uncomfortable. I think it's a big part of it. Like we don't like to talk about it as much. I mean, I talk about it and it, yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Oh, yeah, we we get honey, we could have about sex for hours, girl. We got a lot of shit to unbuckle. Oh, shit, that's with oh that's men on men. Sorry. I keep on getting...
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
um I think, though, think something even like especially important what you're doing is podcasting. You know, like podcasting is an art in itself, right?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But you're able to take your own experience, you know, with the work that you've done with your clientele, the kind of things that you understand from the industry. Again, like your own personal perspective, because I don't work in the industry.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You do. you know You have that perspective and mindset to bring that to the table, which opens up a lot of doors. like There are fakers that are talking for people like you, I'm like, but you're not really in the industry, or you're like in the illegal parts of it.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Pepper Kat
Right.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You know, like the drug trafficking and non-consensual shit.
::Pepper Kat
Right.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Yeah.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, I think a lot of people do talk for us. Yeah, the sex traffickers and like people like to put us all in one. And it's like there's a reason why there's a word for sex trafficking and then sex work.
::Pepper Kat
Like there's it's two it's two different things like that.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
two different things, two different things.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah. And ah a lot of people talking for us who like to have assumptions of who we are online. And so that's actually part of the reason why I made my podcast, too, is because, like you said, like it gives a perspective from me and not other people who don't even work in our industry talking for us, like the real honest truth.
::Pepper Kat
So.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And it's um it's, you know what honestly it is, is the cold hard truth of are, and i've I've realized this as a gay man, that with homosexuals, we're more open when it comes to intimacy and nudity.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
you know i like I had the experience of going to a gay sauna like two weeks ago, and when you try to explain that to a straight male, they're like, wait, what?
::Pepper Kat
her
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Gay people do that? But like don't you take advantage of each other? I'm like,
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
no i mean there's some creeps, but hands off, buddy. It was like baffling to me for a second because, again, it's coming from those two sides where you have two males that both sexually are attracted to the opposite thing.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But what's odd is that I have more in common with the female than I have with... Because obviously girls feel threatened around straight guys. Like, you're in a place with a bunch of straight guys, like...
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
he going to touch me non-consensually? You know what i mean?
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And that, I think that's the most important word that we have to point out today is consensual and non-consensual.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Okay. We're talking about consensual things here. You know, like a person walks into a strip club, like you're making a consensual decision to walk into that place and see performers.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Right. Right.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, yeah, it's it's true. i um Even in like like when I get phone sex calls or camming, I feel like men my customers who are more sexually fluid are more comfortable with like talking about it and ah When I get, well, now, like, my straight customers, some of them are comfortable because they've been on these sites for years.
::Pepper Kat
But I feel like I do see the difference, too, with, like, the shame, I think, that comes with a lot of straight men, if you want to narrow it down, too, in terms of the interactions I get online.
::Pepper Kat
But, yeah, no, it is it is interesting to see who's comfortable and who's not with sexuality. Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And the the thing, like, i I know I'm going to bring up the word spectrum, but it's true. It's very much a spectrum because you have the opposite side of it where there are those men that are still very controlling within the industry, meaning that they have workers that are non-consensual and they're not treated correctly and they are being held, you know, you know, they gate they can't leave.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
they're They're under, like, the... That is not the same thing. I think that like it exists, but the issue is is that if you put yourself in that mindset of where like oh everything is like that, I don't think that's true. i just i hope not.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You really hope not.
::Pepper Kat
her
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But the media paints it otherwise. It's like, oh, no, no, no, no. The reason why we ban most of the sex industry is because most of it's non-consensual. But again, like
::Pepper Kat
And it's right. right
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Yeah.
::Pepper Kat
it's i is It's really silly. I don't know. they I just feel like it's just so many excuses when, for me, the industry is a reflection of our desires, whether it's in the moment or it's just a fantasy. And we just don't like to admit that humans can be nasty in a good way, like, you know, like to explore your body. And we just don't like to just admit that.
::Pepper Kat
We all have sex and we all like it.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
I mean, everybody has sex, which is crazy. Like, I think, you know, i agree. There should be differentiations between with children and with adults.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Okay, and let's be honest.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Like, the porn industry has a lot of problems, especially when it comes to child pornography in this country. OK, and there's definitely porn addictions and things of that nature. But I think that.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
If we are not allowing ourselves to have those open conversations, OK, I I could tell you honestly, like I have friends of mine that are girls and I have open sexual conversations with.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
It's not like I'm trying to get in their freaking pants.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
It's that we're friends, and it's something that's on my mind, and I want to hear her perspective on it. When people get into wanting to do something intimate with each other, even on a first date, hey these are all consensual things. If somebody wants to log in and want to make that phone call, or I think we just need to get out of our ads that when you're a certain age, we want to do that.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
and It's okay.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But like we gotta separate that.
::Pepper Kat
ah
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
like Yeah, there's kids, there's teenagers, and there's adults.
::Pepper Kat
her
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
100%. There's certain things that I don't think teenagers and kids should be exposed to.
::Pepper Kat
Oh, yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But when you're at a consensual age, like come on, man. like You paid her $300, okay?
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
ok
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, no, yeah, I mean, what happens in the bedroom should stay in the bedroom. If you want to have your ass slapped or be pegged or whatever, like, it shouldn't be anyone's business.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Or Eden. Or Eden.
::Pepper Kat
It shouldn't. Too, I also see, too, like, a rise in, like, Puritan conversations online. I don't know what's going on, but people are so, like, uptight.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
and opinionated.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You know, and it's like, it's either, you know, you're either one way or the other. Like, i I literally had this this conversation before. It's like, look, everybody's going to have a different perspective on things, okay?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And I think, like, you were definitely a great example of that, okay?
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You tried something that didn't align with you, right? Like, It had its also cons where it didn't pay well either. But you made a decision. You made a decision that you found something that you were passionate about.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Something that you were really good at. And you made something out of it. That to me is like the thing that 99.9% of people cannot do.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You know, is to get out of their comfort zone and do something that they're... You know what? I could talk Stephen for myself, okay? I am a podcaster. I don't give a flying fuck what I say on this podcast.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
okay You want to be woke-ass liberal and come on ear here and debate me? Go right ahead. You want to come on here and start getting into the heebie-jeebies of like the world has been controlled by aliens?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
By all means, I'm all ears. But at the end of the day, need to be honest with yourself, and you need to realize where you have to respect artists on individual levels, even though there's flaws within that philosophy, because there's something so beautiful that comes out of that.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
mean, hey, girl.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, yeah. I mean, what?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Just saying...
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, I mean, I agree. I mean we we are artists and what people fail to understand is that there is a reason why people keep coming back and why our industry keeps thriving is because people resonate with it.
::Pepper Kat
Whether somebody, you know, feels uncomfortable about it or not, it's something right that we're doing to keep people coming back and feeling uncomfortable. comfortable in their own skin and being sexual beings that people don't always get to do outside of what we do and offer and it's nothing wrong with that and I mean i I consider myself an adult artist entertainment I create I make videos podcast yeah
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
no
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Which, by the way, are all difficult things to do. you know when yeah Especially learning, um and I know this, especially learning with lighting and understanding like positionings, because the thing that we tend to forget is humans, especially you're dealing with nudity,
::Pepper Kat
it's very difficult yeah
::Pepper Kat
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
um You have to get the right angles. Because sometimes things will look like weird. You're like, huh? And you've got to take all of this money. and like again I don't know how big your team is. Sometimes you're dealing with small staff and crew. And sometimes you know you're dealing with rigorous hours.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And this stuff costs money too. you know You're pouring like your own blood, sweat, and tears into this to be able to make it.
::Pepper Kat
yeah
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You're hardworking like... anybody else It's again, it's because it's adult content.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, it takes a lot of work. The same work I did as a news producer, i do now. like I do pre-scheduling and editing and scripts.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You have that experience to apply to this too, right? Which is amazing.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah. Yeah, honestly, I think me working in the news helps me do what I do now in terms of the skills I learn. and I just, I mean, I'm just naked now.
::Pepper Kat
But I mean, it's I still do it
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Hey, Fox News, CNN, watch out
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, like I think people think it's easy. Like you can post like a foot or like your tits and people will just give you a thousand dollars or something. And that's not how it works. Like you have gain trust. It takes emotional intelligence to do what we do to give people it There's not people just giving out their money just to strangers online.
::Pepper Kat
And to pull money out of people and entertain and make people feel comfortable, that's a skill that everyone can't do, to be honest.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
No.
::Pepper Kat
Like...
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You know, it's interesting because I said earlier about um I literally went on a first date to a gay sauna with somebody. um And I'll be honest, us I think it was probably one of the greatest experiences I had on a first date.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Because like I'm very much like, my love language is intimacy. Intimacy in regards to skin on skin. I don't know why. For me, like just being nude with another person, just i like can almost feel the spiritual vibe and connection.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
yeah
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
I feel like, again, like um I love history. If you look throughout history, the most beautiful art that we have, showing like the human form in sculpture and painting, there's something about clothes that we don't realize that, just like animals don't wear clothes,
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
um we don't always wear clothes. it's just for people outside. it's
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
um and yeah, honestly, like that that really taught me something deep about myself, about that experience. And whether people realize that or not, I don't know about all your clients, maybe some of them are just corny as fuck, and that's okay.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But some of might be trying to figure that out themselves and don't really know how to do it.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, well, yeah, they do. Um,
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Right?
::Pepper Kat
I get people who are comfortable, who like to be, sometimes they'll call me naked, like in public somewhere, like in their backyard or something. And then you'll have those people who are a little shy or they may come from like a, um like a Christian background or something where they can't really, like, they didn't talk about it.
::Pepper Kat
And those are usually the freakiest.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Damn girl, you got the Catholics? And we got a new Pope too?
::Pepper Kat
Those are the freakiest. Those are the freakiest.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Oh boy.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, they love like nun content. Like I've done content like naughty nun or like a prayer about being like a naughty slut and they they just love that.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Typical Catholics. I love that shit.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, like I've gotten people who are like pastors.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
oh
::Pepper Kat
and like It's like you get people who you don't expect to come to us who are like naughty nuns.
::Pepper Kat
Just trying to find a space where they can just be deviant.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
I mean, if you deprive people of sexual connection and interaction...
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
get a bit warning um It's just, like, we're freaking mammals, okay? I get it. We're like we're like the highly crazy, like, but at the end of the day is we have sex organs.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
That's what being mammal is, okay? You kind of have sex organs and you sexual intent. I mean, look at all the freaking mammals. Like, the second they get horny, like, hey, let's go after the lady gorilla. All right, boys.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
So you got to say to yourself, okay, if that's what human beings are, then you run into those experiences with people that are literally being deprived of that.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
i mean, I'll be honest, was like I was celibate for like six years, okay?
::Pepper Kat
What?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And then I had a relationship last year and then was celibate for like 12 months.
::Pepper Kat
Wow.
::Pepper Kat
Wow.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Yeah, and like a lot of it was because like I just wasn't comfortable in trying to figure figure out myself, There are those scenarios where they're not figuring out and trying to get to that place. No, no, they're doing it because it's part of a service whatever. And like I commend those people.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But at the same time, I'm like... why why Why? are you hurting? Like, seriously, you're hurting yourself. That must be so freaking depressing. like And...
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
I mean, hence so you come in and like be able to give that to them, but like you wish they had like real... They actually had that in real life all the time. They just don't.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, a lot of them, well, what I've seen is, like, a lot of them want to keep it separate, too. Like, they want their life that they show to ah appear.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Mm-hmm. Double life. Mm-hmm.
::Pepper Kat
Like, oh, this, like, wholesome man with a family and kids. And then, meanwhile, he's on the phone with me telling me how he likes to get dicked down by, like, a guy or something but like he's he he they he wants to present as this person but he has like a totally different life that he can't be himself in front of other like people or it's just a lot of them just like to keep it separate even like to like I do a lot of ebony content where I attract a lot of like white men where they have this like
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Thank you.
::Pepper Kat
oh, like this family, and but i secretly am ah attracted to black women or I have this fantasy that I want to do with you that I can't really say in front of my peers.
::Pepper Kat
So it's like different types of people who just live two different lives and they like to keep it that way. um
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
i um I grew up in an Orthodox Jewish community in New York. And what's interesting, especially in that community a lot of the times, you run into people that get married really young, and they don't really know how to sexually explore with their partners.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
In some cases, some of these guys or girls realize, actually like pussy or dick, and my partner doesn't have that, you know?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And then you're lost. You know, you're like, what do I do? And a lot of the times, like, either people live those double lives or secretly try search out to get those things. m
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
you know what? Like, you gotta be kind to people, okay? Because you cannot understand every single person's situation.
::Pepper Kat
right
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And to judge them and say, well well, they're porn addicts, you know, or like they're addicted to adult content. Do you live their life?
::Pepper Kat
yeah yeah right and like that's another thing too like yeah like people like
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Do you pay their bills? Do you live in their house?
::Pepper Kat
you know, porn online when people are like, men are just porn addicts jerking off. And it's like, there's a deeper reason to why people come. Like, I don't think people should be like put down for being horny.
::Pepper Kat
Like, I don't, I don't, I don't understand the rhetoric, right?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Everybody gets horny. Everybody.
::Pepper Kat
We all masturbate.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Even women. Women.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Everybody. and I...
::Pepper Kat
Men, women, right. And like, people just get so uncomfortable. Like,
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
They do... You know what the thing also is? Sometimes people... it talking we want to talk about men, for example. There are guys that, again, we emotionally deprive ourselves.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
A lot of guys just don't know and how to like open themselves up towards women.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
I know somebody that he has a hard time like having open sexual conversations with women. He just shuts down. He just doesn't know how to do it. And you know what? like I get it. like Women have a lot of fucking issues in this country, especially with sexual assault and trafficking, lot of things.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But men do too, okay? I mean, hey, there's James Charles, all right? There's tons of straight guys that get raped, molested, sexually assaulted by other males, by gay males.
::Pepper Kat
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
These are real things, you know, like male mental health is like, get it. I get it. Men have been fucking terrible to women. All right. I grew up in a community where men were terrible to women.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But that doesn't mean all men are like that.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
I've met some really amazing straight guys, especially in relationships. They really do care and they open up to their wife or their partner whoever may be.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, like, yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Don't talk about it.
::Pepper Kat
and
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Yeah, sorry.
::Pepper Kat
No, it's true. No, no, it's true. Like, even, like, I've had men admit to me that they've been... molested or raped. ah they They just don't, they wouldn't even tell a therapist, like by a male neighbor or their mothers.
::Pepper Kat
Like you hear that kind of stuff, like as phone sex operators, that we're the only people, people, sometimes people feel comfortable even opening up about that. And like, they don't know how to process it.
::Pepper Kat
And they may have a fantasy based on it because that's the only way they can really address it or process what happened to them.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Thank you.
::Pepper Kat
um So yeah, that, um and too, yeah, I've gotten to know a lot of my customers who are like normal guys and they just, they're just kinky and maybe into something and they're really nice. Like I've, I've gained a lot of, uh,
::Pepper Kat
connection with my male customers that they don't often i don't often get to see that side of them outside of this and it does make me have empathy towards men and just people in general like you know like everyone's going through something yeah
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
yeah there's really no yeah There's really no gender war here. And I really feel that especially as a, so what that I'm gay?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Guess what? I'm a man too. And if I can be able to respect women for who they are and just that, other guys can do that too.
::Pepper Kat
yeah
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
you know It's this idea of the two sides. Yes, there are things biologically that are 100% different. And I think, especially with women's health and men's health, my opinion, women should speak for women's health, including abortions, and men should speak for men's health.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Plain and simple. It's not trying to, like, genderfy anything. It's that when you're talking about biologically and those things, I agree with you 100%. when comes to when it comes to Mentally, physically, being able to have an intellectual conversation, breaking down subjects, getting in depth with different things.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
That two-gender thing kind goes out the window a little bit.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, I mean, we have differences and then we also have a lot in common. i mean, we're all human. I mean, I don't mean to sound like a hippie, but i mean, we are. we we We're all the same. There are different things about us, especially with sexual drive, too. I think there are differences, but I think there are a lot of similarities that people just don't like to overlap because at the end of the day,
::Pepper Kat
Like, you know, I think we're at the time where people are having a hard time understanding other people because they don't see the perspective of the other person and they just don't care.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
no and
::Pepper Kat
But I'm forced to see, I'm not forced to, but I see it every day. and I think that's allowed me to just um have a different type of viewpoint of people who are different than I am. Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You know what it is, though? It's that in-depth part of it where it's that interaction. Like, I always try my best to try to have open conversations with people outside of this podcast, even people that I end interact with every single day.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And it's like, I don't need media. i don't I don't need MSNBC. I don't need Fox. I don't need any of this crap, you know? And I think a lot of things comes to heart where if you're passionate about something and something that you care about, and obviously you've built meaningful connections.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
I personally don't think you're trying to take advantage of anybody. You're trying to perform and be the best version of yourself that you can give out. And that could be a lot of things, like your routine that you have.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
A lot of people kind of create that kind of stuff, especially also when you're doing podcasting on top of that.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But it all comes down to if we generalize... If we throw diversity, if we start labeling ourselves based off of the color of our freaking skin, we start labeling sexuality as, oh, well, this is this is the thing that pisses me off, and I'm sorry to get a little political here.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
this is the thing that pisses me off the most, is that we have a problem with adult content, but we have no problem with... Puberty blockers and having kids going through this whole prognosis at a young age of transitioning.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
i I'm not a trans person. I'm not speaking for trans people. All I am saying is that, like I said earlier, don't mix adult things with kids the same way you wouldn't want to. do Like if you had a client right now, i'm sorry. If you had a client right now that you found out was a pedophile or a sexual offender, what do you think you're do?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
What would you do?
::Pepper Kat
I usually just report them to the company and then they usually call the police. This is that like, if I suspect, I go to the company and they usually just handle it with the law, to be honest.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
There you go.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
right. Okay, so again, to my point is you wanna merge these things together like, oh they're in cahoots. No, they're not in cahoots.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Like, there are probably plenty of people in the industry, especially like yourself. The second you run into that shit, yeah, the popo is gonna be there in a couple of minutes.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, no, yeah, like, websites, they've cracked down on that, like, they don't even allow you to say certain words, like, when when people discuss, like, oh, like, it's it's exposing people, these sites, the moment you write something or upload something, they will kick you off, you will be banned forever, so they're they're they're very serious about certain content not being allowed on these websites.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
you need to have your
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
own security and the thing that people realize is when you and as an industry they got to figure out a way of being able check themselves
::Pepper Kat
yeah
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
because in the end of the day is the second you start labelization you know
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
rap Because then you slap these long labels on things and give justification as to why they're um in you know in cahoots or in ah corporation or profiting off of this somehow.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
My God, if anybody thinks for a freaking second that any sane individual such as yourself thinks it's okay to somebody to profit off of child pornography...
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Dear Lord, have mercy.
::Pepper Kat
yeah that's like a whole especially with like ai you can put faces now on body that's what they really need to be doing they're they're over messing with us when they really need to be and investigating people taking pictures faces and putting them and
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
That is...
::Pepper Kat
ai having kids have sex with each other and as a thing, like that's a whole nother thing that's happening that they really need to just focus on that because that, yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Which is...
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
you know what You know what the issue is?
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Okay, you have companies like OpenAI, which create a chat GPT, right? Here's the reality. They can't even control the freaking language format anymore. right Because the thing about large large language models or formats, which basically in plain English is just imagine like 10 million pages of code.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Okay? You need... I can't even imagine know how many computers and backups just to keep that thing operating. And you have to just keep building more buildings, just keeping that operating.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
People say, like, ooh, when is autonomy going to come? Here's the crazy part, okay? The second autonomy comes to any of these programs or algorithms...
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Because now we don't have any control. Nobody is saying that we should control this shit. What we're trying to say, and I think you're bringing this up too, which is really important, is there needs to be some level of like, hey, don't put no bias shit in there. Don't start making it political and all that crap. Don't start putting restrictions in loopholes.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
We've got to figure out how to make this in small spaces. Because the second this thing starts to blow up, what the hell are you supposed to do as an artist? You know what i mean?
::Pepper Kat
her
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Like, they can come after your likeness and then start using that shit on who the fuck knows and selling that to China and India. Like, you gotta be able to protect yourself.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And...
::Pepper Kat
who
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Again, is anybody like... Can we move the spotlight? Just a little bit to the left!
::Pepper Kat
No, yeah, it's true. You do need... and good brand. um You need to protect yourself, like you said, doing this. And I, even too, like with me, like I always, well, copyright trademark my stuff, but um I'm sure they'll, hopefully they'll come out with things where you can detect people copying your image, which I'm sure they probably have, but you do have to be more diligent when um you are an artist and people copying you, which somebody, people are already trying but I'm on it.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
yeah
::Pepper Kat
But yeah, it's crazy. who
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
It's crazy. and I mean, again, it's a lot of it is because we put so much of our focus focus and effort, I feel, in the wrong places. Instead of having the real hardcore conversations.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
If you want to start getting into the conservative against the liberal, the democrat against the republican, the pro-environmentalist, none of this matters, man.
::Pepper Kat
the
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
okay We live in one big goddamn country with a lot of creative artists throughout different industries.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Music, adult content, you have film, like indie films is a great example. Just writers and But if we don't protect this part of what makes us us, okay, we're forgetting the whole entire picture of what being is American. You know what being American is?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
It's realizing that we've all came here for different opportunities. We're all trying to create and make amazing type of shit with whatever we can to be as passionate as we can. You know what we end up with?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Worker Bs, working nine to five, driving Kias.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Why are you alive? Like, I'm dead-ass, like, I say to myself, like, do you really want to just be 65? Retire. Come to Boca Raton, Florida. Great.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
buying Buy a condo. Like, it's great. That sounds boring.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Like, ugh.
::Pepper Kat
I think the thing with that, too, is that, like, I'm all for people doing that. Like, that's what you want to do, but don't criticize people who choose not to work a nine to five, which I think is what's happening.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Other clients? Yeah, like...
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
not right
::Pepper Kat
It's like, that's you know, see in the comments, I have to work a nine to five while you're up here, like, sending pictures and news when it's like, that's what you chose.
::Pepper Kat
You shouldn't get mad at me for what I'm doing.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And it's like...
::Pepper Kat
You can join OnlyFans too if you want.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
The crazy part, though, is like you're working more than eight hours, right?
::Pepper Kat
Sell some pictures.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah. It's a lot of work. It's more than a 9 to 5. I'm working more than I work as a news producer.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
no I'm like, you know, I i spoke to porn filmmaker and I asked him also the same question.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Like, do people freaking realize that this shit takes a really long time to make? And again, like on the other side of adult content, like if you look at indie filmmakers or independent um filmmakers that are like They run into a lot of freaking obstacles.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
They don't have freaking Sony, Disney, you know and Paramount, and like all these freaking giants. They don't have this, like to call free money.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
you know It's like The Sims. You jailbreak it you know and just get unlimited money.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
That's kind of what they are. It's unlimited money. It's like, hey, want three Bugattis. Give me.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, I mean, i think that's what I think that's what content creation is about, too. Whether you make adult content or not, you have to.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
It works hand in hand, both sides.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, yeah. Like you have to be your own boss. um And like you said, like there there there is no network that you can upload your content. But what's so great is that you can post, you know, and make your own way online.
::Pepper Kat
And more people should definitely take advantage of that. Just like you and your podcast.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
There's a lot...
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
I'm just happy I'm not banned yet, you know? Like, it's like one of those things where when you're kind low-key kind of under the radar, like, nobody really bothers you. But, like, the second you start getting up there, like, shit starts to hit the fan. And the honest truth, like, I do this because...
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
I love talking to people and like literally having like good vibe, you know? And I mean, heck, like you're freaking awesome in and itself. I mean, not only like, have you like changed your career and made something of yourself, like you made a podcast and you're talking openly about this stuff.
::Pepper Kat
It's true.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Like, Hey man we come from different sides of the world. We can come from different sides of the spectrum. like so Like matter. Like, you know our problem is? You know the mental health crisis? You know our all entire freaking issues?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
We don't freaking talk. We yell.
::Pepper Kat
this trail
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
We fight. We scream.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, I mean, it's true. Like, to be honest, like, my, I'm gonna be honest, my customers come from all different political, but I don't care. Like, he like I have customers who are super liberal.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Doesn't matter.
::Pepper Kat
have customers who are Trump supporters. I have politicians, I have, I have all kind of people coming to me, coming to me and I don't I don't care. you like you know and But you get to know people past those labels that people um have.
::Pepper Kat
And like you said, it it doesn't matter. like And honestly, half those, the people who who say they're against something in public, a lot of them, like like people who say they're against adult content, like politicians, a lot of them are not. Like they're everything.
::Pepper Kat
what they're preaching against. and And then you just see that people are just human. Like it's not, it's not that deep. Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You know what? At the end of the day,
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
i realize this too because I have a lesbian couple and I've said this before. like there We're ah close friends with them They live in Brooklyn. And they're liberal and they go by they pronouns.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But the cool thing about them is if I say she by accident, it'll give me hard time. don't care. you know And again, two different sides of like the spectrum, like you know two different sides of the conversation. And it's weird.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
They're artists and creative people. We come from very similar backgrounds. We have a lot of things that we vibe and connect with. I'm one of those, like, talking on politicians. You know, the problem is politicians should be volunteers.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
um As a libertarian, like, you shouldn't be paid, man. Like, I'd rather pay my taxes for whoever's taking 29 years to fix the highway. anyway That at least is going to happen in 29 years.
::Pepper Kat
yeah
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You? don't know
::Pepper Kat
well I can tell you a lot of them are probably paying dominatrix paying their dues paying some sex worker yeah
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Honey, I live in Florida. What do you think our government is made of? Anything the government of Florida's made of. Massive.
::Pepper Kat
I heard you all are really, um I heard the, I don't know if it's there or Texas. There's, maybe it is Florida where you all um have a big adult scene down there or something.
::Pepper Kat
So I'm sure the politicians are involved.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Massive.
::Pepper Kat
Maybe.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
The issue with, um it's not an issue, it's like a kind of double-edged side of the sword with Florida, which people don't realize until you live down here. This state doesn't focus on citizens or civilians.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
It heavily focuses more on business infrastructure. In plain, single simple English, they care about businesses making money.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
That's what business infrastructure is, it's just businesses making more money. So you have industries, again, Nevada is the same way like this too. They have the same kind of business. And again, think this is why you get that label.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You get that gaslighting effect. We're... They're literally paying sex workers. I know that for a freaking fact. hey If you've met some of these Cubans, yeah, i'm going to say it right now. If you've met some of these freaking Cubans, these people are freaky as shit.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And i like I don't condone their behavior whatever, but like this stuff does exist because of the regulations and things that exist within these states. So they're, again, able to label it as, okay, well, it's non-consensual.
::Pepper Kat
Right.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
know what saying? Like with the consensual and non-consensual. Politicians love throwing that around. Well, it's non-consensual work and therefore it's no way to be controlled or... What do you mean controlled?
::Pepper Kat
A lot of them right ah lot of them have escorts. like It's just so silly. A lot them probably are um and I'm 100% serious. Like a lot of them probably see escorts and like everything they're saying is just, is a lot of us laugh like sex workers when we see politicians talking about this because they, it's not true. Like they, a lot of them don't live the lives that they portray and they're paying for sex in one way or another.
::Pepper Kat
and can guarantee that. Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
. And it's: ::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Thank you.
::Pepper Kat
You look so young. or younger.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
African, Moroccan, and hopefully I'm going age like, fine wine, please.
::Pepper Kat
You will.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
t it's interesting where it's: ::Lost in the Groove Podcast
i I don't know. like You know you like hope that people i think in the future like things would be better. you know To be honest, a lot of things are a lot better now.
::Pepper Kat
yeah
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But it's so freaking slow. it's like It's like that character in ah Monsters University. you know When the bell rings and it's like... And and it's like... Bro, you're going to be there in like nine years, man.
::Pepper Kat
yeah I don't know hopefully we'll like progress with these conversations on both sides on, on, on all sides.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
We hope.
::Pepper Kat
Like you should, you know, have these conversations more and feel comfortable.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
What do you think... if Trying to peck out the brain. What do you think has been, like, your biggest inspiration for yourself? Because I think, in and of itself, like you have to learn More than anything else.
::Pepper Kat
Hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
like You can't just be pepper. you know you like You could... Put on like this actor persona or whatever, but it has to be generally you in order for you to do it every single day.
::Pepper Kat
her
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
What do you think that is?
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, well, my my content reflects what I actually like, and I think that's why it's natural for me to make content. um But also just, I'm honestly myself, like on cam calls and phone sex, like ah like oh I'll do the role play, but i still bring on my personality that I have that people like.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
It's still very much you.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, like I'm not like a fake person or like pretending. Like I tell them my age, is like my race. Like I'm just myself and those who like me, then they'll pay me and those who don't and they'll choose someone else. But I'm 100% myself when I'm with them. And I think that's what they like.
::Pepper Kat
And that's what you have to be too. Like an artist, you have to be yourself. Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Otherwise...
::Pepper Kat
you're You're selling yourself to people and nobody wants to cam with a fake person.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Yeah. no and you know what?
::Pepper Kat
You know.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
It goes deeper than that because it's not just even about selling yourself. It's selling the best version of yourself. I tried explaining this the other day and like I finally had this click.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
What that means being the better version of yourself is even if you realize two days ago that, you know what, maybe I'm doing something wrong. like Maybe we should try something different. you know what like Maybe I should go towards this direction. Maybe this is going to work out better.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
That in itself is you are being the best version of yourself. Because again, most people around you will be, you stay comfortable. and hate comfort man hate that shit like I'm one of those that like I've gotten so bored by comfortable the truth is like I grew up in a cult for like freaking 18 years of my life ugh
::Pepper Kat
Oh, no.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, no, I can imagine like being in a cult. Wow.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
no but you feel me like the idea of like always constantly staying comfortable it's like how do you live being comfortable
::Pepper Kat
That's good. Yeah.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm. Yeah. yeah
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
living the same boring-ass town for your whole life. Like, doing a job you don't give a shit about. Like, ugh.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah. I mean, people, you know, I think that's the problem. People are too comfortable. Like we have to get uncomfortable. We have to talk about sex. and that's That's my goal.
::Pepper Kat
Like we all have to like get out of this. Everyone's trying to be the same, look the same, do the same thing. People don't like people who are People who are like that, they don't, they feel uncomfortable with people who are different or who aren't scared to be themselves.
::Pepper Kat
That's where it all boils down to, I think.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
i I think that's the ultimate fear of the media because, to be honest, they kind of lost. We kind of won, which is kind of cool. You know, it's like the first... I've said this before, like, this is the first time in human history we're independent artists.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
We have the upper hand.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
The first time in history.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
because Like, widely because of the internet. It's allowed us to do these things. And... You know what? It allows people to find those meaningful things that they connect to.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You know what? If it's a conversation about sex, so have it, all right? This podcast is labeled explicit for a reason, honey. You know, um I feel like this is important, not only for our time now, but also for history.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Like, I'm one of those weirdos, like, think about it. Maybe in, like, 10 years, somebody might be listening to this. be like,
::Pepper Kat
It's true.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
wow, Pepper Cat was talking about that 10 years ago. You know, I remember those interviews with Eartha Cat. Do you remember those? Like from, so i love her.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah, I love her so much.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
like Oh, she's cool. And when you hear her talk, you hear this powerful woman that didn't give a fuck. She said fuck on TV. And in these interviews, she's like,
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
and in these interviews
::Pepper Kat
No, yeah. Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
That to me just sparks value. It doesn't matter if it happens now, if it happens yesterday.
::Pepper Kat
Right.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Just do it. Just be you. Just let the universe take its course, man.
::Pepper Kat
I agree. i agree. And like, and like, this is one of the times, like you said, like, you don't need to have special connections for people to see you You just have to put yourself out there.
::Pepper Kat
you know, there's no gatekeeping doing this.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Be the best version version of yourself. Yeah, okay.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
I think also that's important too is restriction. Because a lot of the times you know you get either too impatient and then you find this wonderful deal and you sign this beautiful contract.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And then you basically sell your soul to the devil. you know you You limit yourself because you didn't believe you were worth anything more. Nobody says independent is nobody says being independent Nobody says that working within the underground scene is a fun ride, because it does. It comes with complications. You're not dealing with people that have crazy money.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Okay? eat The biggest underground labels in Atlanta don't have the money that Sony has. think They just don't.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
you know and That's okay. I think limitations and obstacles is what makes you stronger. you know we think, well, I lost. No, losing means that you know what to do next time so you can win.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And if you lose again, now you know more strategies on how you can win.
::Pepper Kat
Right? Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
i mean
::Pepper Kat
I agree.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
come on like i I don't think it's been an easy ride for you.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You've definitely run into obstacles and mistakes and situations that you're like, heck, I should not do that again. I should try something different. And that's just a part of that growth, right?
::Pepper Kat
it is yeah yeah it's some crazy like I've gotten banned off of like sites sometimes like you I'm gonna say but like things that I didn't think before I did it or like read the guidelines and it's it's my fault I have to own up to it but I i know to like
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Have you run into that, by the way?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
um my god.
::Pepper Kat
not do that or there have been times when I had a cam show I didn't feel comfortable but I did it because I just wanted to make money and it was something I can't unsee something you know there it's I've had some hiccups one day you can make five dollars and the next day you can make a couple thousand like it is like you just have to just bet on yourself and just learn from your mistakes yeah
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
I think it's so true because if you if you think that you're failing, you're not being successful just because of something, like you said, like five bucks, or doing something you're really comfortable doing, but you're like, hey, I'll do for the money and shit, instead of like, hey, is this something that I actually connect with?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
By the way, people don't remember this too. Repeating customers okay is a strength. right like I've kind of realized this being doing this podcast.
::Pepper Kat
It is.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
A lot of the people that listen to this are repeating listeners. he People that listen sometimes on a weekly basis or every two weeks. That to me means more than a freaking audience.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Okay? You have people that are passionate it what you're doing and they want to come back and explore and see what else you've got to offer.
::Pepper Kat
yeah
::Pepper Kat
Yeah. and
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Instead of having like a million clients, you're like, oh, Jenny, Jenny, tell George I'm online. You're like,
::Pepper Kat
Yeah. Yeah. And like I, try to remember that too, because you do get a lot of trolls and like weird people who like make comments online and stuff like that.
::Pepper Kat
But then I have to re remember the people that always show up for me when i show up. And that's all that matters are the people who come back. So that's what try to keep.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You know why Because those are the people that generally want to see you for you want to kind of be either like part of the groove you know or just getting in the jav.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But like in the end of the day, that is form of success. How many clickbaity TikTok stars? Bro, you can have 20 million followers. Cool.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
well But do those people listen to you and like want to be a part of that and enjoy that experience?
::Pepper Kat
great
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
like Those, again, OnlyFans people that got like, I don't 10,000 subscribers I don't what kind of bullshit.
::Pepper Kat
you
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But how many of those are actually meaningful connections that come back to back? You know?
::Pepper Kat
Right. Yeah. And like, that's why I made my podcast is because I want to my fans to see a different side of me and not just like this pretty, like naked girl, naked woman. But I wanted people to see me past that.
::Pepper Kat
So, and I think that's important too. Even in adult industry, i think you should allow people, which I mean, if you feel comfortable with people seeing you on a deeper level.
::Pepper Kat
so
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
it The truth, you are a real person.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And outside of your art and what you do as an independent artist, you have your own life.
::Pepper Kat
here
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
you know You have your own story. You have your own connections and things.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
like there We're dealing with people at the end of the day. We're just dealing with people that happen to be
::Pepper Kat
yeah
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
part of an industry that people very much mislead and misunderstand because they don't do the proper research.
::Pepper Kat
yeah it's crazy I just hope people and um get more comfortable with us I don't know when people are going to feel comfortable with the adult industry it seems yeah I mean I mean yeah you are and maybe there's more people than i would
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
I mean, I'm comfortable with it, you know.
::Pepper Kat
Maybe I see it differently differently because I always see like the negative people, but maybe there are more people than I like to believe who accept it.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
i think i think now I think more now than ever because I think people, especially even for myself, are becoming especially more picky with dating people. And the thing I have actually come to realize is, especially when it comes to dating, if somebody wants to get intimate on a first date, so be it.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
If sex is kind of way of flourishing or making a connection or maybe even learning about yourself, Again, that is a part of what it is to be human.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
End of story.
::Pepper Kat
Mm-hmm.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
And you probably also learned a lot from your own career and then also from being a podcaster that you're able to like establish within your own life. you know I've literally had like guys I've went out with like, damn, I can really understand why you're podcaster.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
I started literally having a podcast with them in the freaking car. know?
::Pepper Kat
Right, right, because you probably like to like break down things and go deep into conversation.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
o Right? Yeah, exactly. so like so do you like to be on the top or the bottom? like What?
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Oh, my God, I love that. um What was I going to... Oh, we've talked a lot about your podcast. um Just a little bit, if you want to like break it down.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
um Also, where can these incredible people find you? And...
::Pepper Kat
Oh, yeah, sure. Well, if you want to listen to my podcast, you can visit spicy spectrum podcast.com. And if you want to visit my main site with my adventures and what I do um behind closed doors, you can visit design your dream girl.com.
::Pepper Kat
And it should have my social media camming if you want to do a show or have a phone call and not feel ashamed of being naughty.
::Pepper Kat
But those are the two sites that you can find me.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Yeah, um what I'm going to do um is I'm going to put that in the description box. up
::Pepper Kat
Oh, perfect. Thank you.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Because I do publish this on YouTube and Rumble, I am definitely going to put a little description the description box. So if they decide to start doing their copyright and striking crap,
::Pepper Kat
Oh man, yeah, sorry. and
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
No, no, no.
::Pepper Kat
Hopefully they don't do that.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You're perfectly fine.
::Pepper Kat
for
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
they're um
::Pepper Kat
Okay.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
By regulation, I make sure um pretty much all of the episodes are explicit and are primarily adult content. Because again, most of what I'm talking, like this is not for kids. like Even some of the heavier conversations and things, I'm like, yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
But you're incredible. And if people definitely want to find out your podcast and definitely your work, they should definitely have the opportunity to find that stuff.
::Pepper Kat
Thank you.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
um So I'll make sure to definitely leave the links and stuff.
::Pepper Kat
Thank you.
::Pepper Kat
Perfect. Thank you so much. i appreciate being on here.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
My pleasure. my god, we went so many different directions.
::Pepper Kat
We did.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
We really did. You know what? Again, there needs to be more conversations like this. There needs to be that open space of we're... This is normal part of being in an adult.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
You know what? We gotta get out of that that mind frame. like Even married couples deal with this shit. Okay?
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Everybody that's an adult deals with this shit. So, and you got people like you that are open, expressive, got your own podcast, independent, figuring it along the road.
::Pepper Kat
It's true.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Hell yeah.
::Pepper Kat
Yeah.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Well,
::Pepper Kat
Yeah. I'm excited.
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
listen, if ever, thank you so much for coming on. um To anybody out there, if you want to check out more of the at LostInTheGroovePod. So with that, motherfuckers,
::Lost in the Groove Podcast
Catch you on the next one. All right. Peace out! Oh my god, I really need to freaking...
