#212 - Interview with old rockers Jeff Niebuhr & Heath Cobb - Hecojeni

00:00.35

Jeff and Heath

he kind of put it together strategically. I mean, we every piece had ah a reason for being in it. we We had a lead singer that was not the the greatest singer, but he was so good looking that women would flock to the shows.

00:16.01

Jeff and Heath

And because women would flock to the shows, I mean, women would fall into the bathroom.

00:18.45

Lost in the Groove Podcast

you mean like a jim morrison almost like yeah he

00:24.09

Jeff and Heath

And and Jeff did this on purpose.

00:25.87

Lost in the Groove Podcast

a

00:27.05

Jeff and Heath

And I was kind of unaware at the time what his strategy was. But it but it was really interesting because as we progressed and and you know played together after a year or so, we actually came together you know in terms of of music.

00:44.11

Jeff and Heath

And we wound up doing a CD.

00:45.48

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You mean like a Jim Morrison almost, like, yeah.

00:46.11

Jeff and Heath

We we had an agent out of Nashville. we We could pretty much play you know four or five nights a week if we wanted to. We were we were all in school at the time. So you know some of it was more important to us and others I would have rather you know just been in the band but anyway kind of juggling all that it was a really great ride we we you know we did it you know without well I mean plenty of little adventure stories but it was it was you know constantly growing and it and everybody kind of had the fever and we all miss it a lot it was wouldn't trade it for the world

01:20.64

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

01:24.28

Lost in the Groove Podcast

It was, you know, honestly, like, it's a different set of mind, almost, because, you know, there was a time where you know you could put yourself where you had a dream, you know, you wanted to express your love for the arts, you know, you wanted to be somebody that's creative and do something with that, right?

01:44.49

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Today, I feel like it's almost where, hey, if I can get it on TikTok and it gets me a billion views, there you go. Now I'm famous.

01:50.77

Jeff and Heath

but

01:51.11

Lost in the Groove Podcast

There's no, like, working hard, suffering, having managers mistreat you. There's none of like being broke as fuck to the point you have nothing to show for yourself.

02:01.92

Lost in the Groove Podcast

like It's almost where the hard work has been taken out of the equation entirely.

02:02.24

Jeff and Heath

Yep.

02:05.79

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You know what I'm saying?

02:06.38

Jeff and Heath

but It is absolutely different. Yeah. And that's been a very eye-opening experience for me coming coming back into this with Jeff. The whole strategy has changed on on how to get the music out there. I mean, you still want to perform live. You still want to you know, do some of the traditional things, but this, this whole new little subset of, of social media and hits and followers and all that, of course, none of that existed in the nineties.

02:31.65

Jeff and Heath

When we were doing it, it was, you know, old school, get to the next bar, um load in, load out, winding up cords.

02:36.97

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You know what?

02:43.36

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And sometimes, you know, I don't know if you have this experience, you know, you ever have those times where you just you just come up with something immediately in like just out of nowhere. You're like, you know what? Fuck these people. I'm just going to play something random and they love it.

02:55.37

Jeff and Heath

I don't want to. We played in a bar in, was that Spartansburg? Mm-hmm, Macon. Macon, Georgia.

03:01.53

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh, real south.

03:02.05

Jeff and Heath

And the story goes, you know, and Jeff tells it better than I do, so interject, Jeff, if you want, but it was a crowded show.

03:15.01

Jeff and Heath

I guess everybody was there for like, oh, you can drink. What was, do you remember? Yeah, so they hired, we played Macon a few times and had a following and this guy's like, I want to hire you. I have this thing on Wednesday nights.

03:26.18

Jeff and Heath

I do all you can drink for 20 bucks from five 30 to seven 30. And then I want you to be there at seven 30. Cause everybody leaves at seven 30. They go to other bars like of course they do. So I want you to be there to hold the crowd.

03:39.54

Jeff and Heath

And so we're not a seven 30 kind of playing band, right? That's not really was our style.

03:45.50

Lost in the Groove Podcast

umm I'm kind of getting that drift.

03:45.94

Jeff and Heath

I probably could do it now. yeah And so we show up. maybe at six 30 and it's just Heath and me, the drummer's not there, the guitar's not, the lead guitar's not there, the singer's not there. So we start setting up, we set up the drum set even, and they're playing loud, you know, hip hop music, it's a party, everybody's having fun, and we're setting up, and then, and then ah at seven 30 in zero seconds, the DJ goes, and now from Auburn, Alabama, the Chillbox!

04:20.95

Jeff and Heath

And even I heard like, definitely you can hear the cymbals, like we're still setting it up. No one else is there. And we run over to turn on some music on RPA, which now sounds just like crap, like a boombox compared to their big house system. Everybody leaves. We finally get the band there and we play and it's a good time to, I don't know, out of 200 people that were there for all you could drink, maybe 50 state. And they had a great time and they're like,

04:50.57

Jeff and Heath

All right, we'll be back next Wednesday and we'll tell them our y'all are great and the end time. And so like at midnight, we're winding down time to go and the owner's like, you're supposed to play till 2 AM.

05:02.86

Jeff and Heath

Like there's literally nobody here. There's like two people playing pool. There's the five of us, our sound guy and your bartenders.

05:10.27

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Bro. Oh my God.

05:12.20

Jeff and Heath

And so.

05:12.26

Lost in the Groove Podcast

and Can we call him Jim?

05:13.82

Jeff and Heath

The lead singer left the building. The good-looking guy I was making fun of earlier decides he's not going to play in front of three people. so like Yeah.

05:22.57

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I don't know why. The second you said that shit, I was like Jim Morrison for days.

05:26.23

Jeff and Heath

yeah So he and I wrote a song on the spot. so we Yeah, we jumped up there because we he wasn't going to pay us. So I'm like, Jeff, what do we do?

05:34.47

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Are you serious?

05:35.81

Jeff and Heath

What do we got to play? so We talked a drummer into coming up and we make up a song and I think we played it for an hour. An hour. Same song. Until he finally came up and said, I'll pay you for stuff. Yeah. yeah And it wound up leaning on the CD, but the song was and you're kind of cheesy called, I Don't Want To.

05:53.41

Jeff and Heath

And, you know, it was an audience. I don't want to play. Yeah. I don't want to play anymore. But yeah, to your point, certainly.

05:59.90

Lost in the Groove Podcast

like

06:01.45

Jeff and Heath

certainly Good times. Good times.

06:04.78

Lost in the Groove Podcast

you know that um You know that reminds me of—I'm a little bit of a beetle head, and I remember I was watching a documentary where George was talking about how they created um you know the song, My Guitar Slowly Weeps.

06:20.72

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And George was just laughing and the interviewer was like, why are you laughing? and He's like, you you realize that we made the song up just for pure creativity reasons. And the guy being an app like dumbass doornail interviewer is like, oh, explain.

06:31.33

Jeff and Heath

Wow.

06:35.66

Jeff and Heath

Hmm.

06:36.95

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And George was like, well, if you listen to the song, it's him kind of playing around with imagine a guitar weeping, you know, because that's kind of what a guitar does.

06:44.19

Jeff and Heath

Mm hmm.

06:46.88

Lost in the Groove Podcast

If you go into a lower chord, you know, it starts to weep. And they just made a bullshit song. And everybody fucking loves that crap. But nobody keeps to like realize as and like as musicians and artists, you're like, oh my god, this guy made a song about what a guitar actually does at low chords.

07:06.12

Lost in the Groove Podcast

you know Kind of like, I don't want to do this right now. It's like, just give me my fucking money right now. like I don't want to be playing right now. you know It's almost like artistry at its finest when you're bored as hell.

07:13.18

Jeff and Heath

i

07:19.02

Jeff and Heath

Yeah.

07:19.95

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Voila.

07:20.10

Jeff and Heath

ard somebody's like Prince in: 1984

07:30.28

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh, fuck yeah. Oh, 100%. Yeah, agreed.

07:33.37

Jeff and Heath

Can't hold it back in.

07:37.04

Lost in the Groove Podcast

He could belch, you know, he could belch or just like do some like doves.

07:38.80

Jeff and Heath

Belch. That's right.

07:42.70

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Whoo. And that that would literally like put Michael Jackson to shame.

07:46.33

Jeff and Heath

Yeah. He was amazing. I never saw him.

07:48.66

Lost in the Groove Podcast

It's, um, you never saw a Prince.

07:49.47

Jeff and Heath

Did you ever see him? No. yeah no um I'll tell you a funny story about a concert. its It's kind of a little off topic. I didn't know Jeff in junior high school and I lived in a completely different city. We both were in Alabama. He was in Auburn. I was in Montgomery. Didn't know each other. Didn't know we were going to have a band one day. And we found out the very first concert he went to and the very first concert I went to were the same concert in the same venue the same same time and it was we didn't know each other it was just kind of like a universe winked at us and and we we didn't realize it but wait till you hear the band so it was uh you claim Houdini but I was a fat boy fat boys you probably don't know either one of those

08:21.29

Lost in the Groove Podcast

but you didn't know each other. Damn.

08:37.97

Jeff and Heath

So it's yeah early hip hop, a weird, weird is first concert for a new edition, right? A new edition. Do any fat boys a new additional? So a little early, but I'm a huge BC boy.

08:46.61

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Was that kind of the same time or like around the Beastie Boys?

08:52.51

Jeff and Heath

Huge BC boys.

08:53.40

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Like Wu-Tang, we're talking about Wu-Tang Clan era, like 80, 83.

08:56.32

Jeff and Heath

That's before that. This is 80, 45.

08:58.47

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Wow.

08:59.77

Jeff and Heath

Like the fat boys invented, uh, the human beat box. And I'm not even going to make an example of it. You'll have to have to Google what the human beat box is.

09:07.69

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Just go on YouTube, people. You can put this on pause and go right on YouTube and take a listen.

09:10.48

Jeff and Heath

Right.

09:13.19

Jeff and Heath

I was having this conversation with a friend of mine, his wife, as they were like first concerts. So I gave mine and hers is like you too. And I'm like, I don't know. Pound for pound.

09:24.16

Jeff and Heath

Who would you rather see first Houdini or you got to go through Dini.

09:28.56

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I mean, yeah. and You know, i'm one of those I've never been able to get onto the YouTube train. Like, I like some of their songs, but I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this.

09:35.62

Jeff and Heath

Yeah.

09:42.57

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I feel like they're a little cheesy.

09:44.71

Jeff and Heath

Yeah, a little self-important.

09:45.71

Lost in the Groove Podcast

They're just a little too clean, a little too polished.

09:50.40

Jeff and Heath

people or: 2000

10:05.86

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Well, I like those artists that can get up on stage and piss the fuck out of the audience. You know, like, throw shit at them or, like, urinate on them or fucking throw a t-shirt or something, you know, and just keep on pounding.

10:16.85

Jeff and Heath

yeah right rao Rock and roll.

10:16.88

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I don't know, I think that's more entertaining, I'll be honest with you.

10:20.44

Jeff and Heath

Rock and roll.

10:22.73

Lost in the Groove Podcast

But I think that's kinda cool, though. You both met at a hip-hop event, you know, like...

10:27.89

Jeff and Heath

We didn't meet, we didn't meet for like six years later.

10:29.89

Lost in the Groove Podcast

No, no, no, I'm saying, like, spiritually, you guys met.

10:32.31

Jeff and Heath

Yeah, connected. Yeah.

10:33.61

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah!

10:33.95

Jeff and Heath

It was, it was fate. Uh, meant to be, and it continues to be, I think Jeff mentioned, um, kind of me falling off the map and, and then finding me again and bringing me back up here.

10:46.06

Lost in the Groove Podcast

How long was that until after the concert?

10:46.28

Jeff and Heath

i

10:49.26

Jeff and Heath

So, well, it was 30 years after the band. Yeah. So we, that was probably 86 and then we, we met in 89 maybe. Yeah. 88, 89.

11:00.13

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh, wow.

11:00.63

Jeff and Heath

Started the band, played the band until 94ish.

11:05.91

Jeff and Heath

Then when did you go off the radar? so it It's been a weird, weird ride for me. I took a job after college and then I was living in Ireland when 9-11 happened.

11:19.82

Lost in the Groove Podcast

ah Wow.

11:20.14

Jeff and Heath

And the Irish had no sympathy at all for us. I was homesick. Everybody back here was hugging each other and putting flags in the front yard. And the Irish were like, oh, you had it coming for a policy to aggressive people. You know, they've been dealing with the IRA for, you know, a hundred years. So I quit my job and, um,

11:45.16

Jeff and Heath

going back to the States and joined the Marine Corps. So that was my first time I kind of disappeared from everybody. I think there was a rumor out there. I had done that, but it'll straighten you out.

11:53.00

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You know, you're not the first, you're you're not one of the first people, I've heard this from a lot of people that are in the Marines. I know of one of my classmates, the same thing. It's like, the Marines is like a place of like getting away from everybody and kind of finding like your place of home. I find that interesting. Yeah.

12:11.17

Jeff and Heath

and you know You hear horror stories of people kind of doing stuff like that and then losing their minds, but the Marine Corps is a little bit different. It's its own motherly womb that, I mean, it just, and in my case, you know, it straightened me out and and added some focus. and But I also disappeared from everybody.

12:38.51

Jeff and Heath

Recently, and and then Jeff kind of finding me and bringing me back, I had, opened up a small cafe in Donut. shop donughut come on so So anyway,

12:49.75

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Same shit, bro. Same shit. hey

12:55.42

Jeff and Heath

I had a girl who was also my business partner.

12:59.60

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Damn.

12:59.74

Jeff and Heath

We we opened it up and after a couple of years, we we sold it. We kind of built it to sell it. And she became very angry. I'll just leave it at that. And I was down on the coast. My neighbor had this piece of shit 50-foot yacht that was basically a floating box more than a half mile offshore. And this angry girl, when I say angry, she was going to get me. I mean, that she she would tell me she was going to get me. So i I went to my neighbor and I said, look, I'll rent this

13:33.89

Jeff and Heath

yacht for me, you know, for a thousand bucks a month. I got to get it offshore, you know like say your man and you know, because it wasn't worth, I think you paid 15 grand for it or something.

13:39.48

Lost in the Groove Podcast

bro

13:44.53

Jeff and Heath

So anyway, I just was desperate and um I was going to do it for a couple of weeks.

13:48.87

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Bruh.

13:49.30

Jeff and Heath

um she She wasn't capable of swimming out there and, and you know, I couldn't imagine her getting a boat.

13:55.60

Lost in the Groove Podcast

sheat She didn't pass her swimming or swimming lessons when she was in elementary school.

13:58.15

Jeff and Heath

No, we'll leave it at that.

13:59.40

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Okay. Yeah.

14:00.98

Jeff and Heath

But anyway i wound up too many donughuts yeah

14:05.37

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You're way too many donuts, bro.

14:05.73

Jeff and Heath

round even go there

14:07.63

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Look at the cops, bro! Like, I'm from New York, man. They got a fucking duck and donuts, and they be drinking that coffee and shit all goddamn day, and they be wondering why they can't get out of that fucking car.

14:15.71

Jeff and Heath

all be

14:20.47

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Take some fucking five minutes, then ten minutes to come up your window, and they're huffing and puffing. Yeah, sorry. I got a little distracted.

14:25.78

Jeff and Heath

yeah m sorry Anyway, I wound up staying I was going to do a two weeks. I wound up staying out there two years and I had, I did i did more than that.

14:34.43

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You still paid a thousand fucking dollars for this boat?

14:38.18

Jeff and Heath

Solar panels on it, you know, TV, and you know, how the internet just, it wound up being a really great place. Safe haven. I mean, the guy I was running from finally had to kick me off and he wanted it back.

14:51.79

Jeff and Heath

And I don't blame him, but it had a very profound experience effect on me. um I was isolated, I you know stayed out there. um I would come in for groceries and to to run and you know whatever, but I basically was away from everybody and you know the open water kind of changed me in a way and you know I loved it and I'd recommend it for anybody.

15:20.01

Jeff and Heath

but I came off the boat because one one of the reasons was Jeff had had found me and said, come to Greenville, check it out.

15:29.23

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Nice job, Jeff.

15:30.66

Jeff and Heath

Yeah. yeah So I, you know, this was really me coming back into society and it's been a little bit of a shock to the system because I've been away from people for so long. Like like last night, Jeff was constantly doing something.

15:42.12

Jeff and Heath

Last night we went to see Driving Cry and Kevin Kenny, you know, a show, you know, 300 people, you know, elbow to elbow, which is, um, you know, like, like you said, a little bit of a shock for you, but it's also been good for me to, you know, get back out and, and into the world.

15:47.58

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh nice.

15:59.36

Jeff and Heath

And then the music, of course, that, that we're doing now has, has absolutely, uh, uh, been a game changer.

16:06.07

Lost in the Groove Podcast

what what kind of um What kind of music are you guys doing currently?

16:09.91

Jeff and Heath

Yeah. This is a weird question. Jeff, I'll let you answer that. Well, I mean, it's not a weird question, a weird answer.

16:12.28

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh shit.

16:14.47

Jeff and Heath

It's a, I mean, it's guitar based, riff based in, in Typical a typical song is either is too typical one is he writes the whole song He wakes up from a dream or running or running and has the song chords changes course verse words Ready to go. Maybe not all the words but some of the words and then the other typical Is I'll write a riff like it's just a little or chord progression ah And then it's not traditional just Jeff's music is

16:48.52

Jeff and Heath

It's it's hard to and this is what I said. It's going to be a weird answer because it's it's not it's not anything like my songs. It's more. I mean, what would you call it?

16:58.82

Jeff and Heath

Uh just a fusion. Well, you know, it's non-traditional. I don't know. Even a four four. It's just it's weird. It all comes together somehow which is trips me out.

17:06.21

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah. Yeah.

17:08.76

Jeff and Heath

Um and then Heath writes the melody.

17:09.38

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You know, I...

17:10.92

Jeff and Heath

Give my melody to it.

17:11.64

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I would...

17:11.81

Jeff and Heath

And then we'll jointly work on words and so

17:13.76

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Damn.

17:14.90

Jeff and Heath

we have I'm sorry, I'm ah i'm a headbanger and I love grudge, I love rock, but none of the music that we're doing is turning out into any of that. I mean, one of my favorite songs is kind of Frank Sinatra-ish.

17:27.33

Jeff and Heath

And so, I mean, you know, what what comes out is just what's coming out. And, you know, I'm enjoying it.

17:31.67

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah. and you're ah i don't I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but your personality, the kind of the way that you talk about music and your kind of inspiration kind of almost reminds me of Willie Nelson.

17:47.09

Jeff and Heath

Mm, that's gross.

17:47.21

Lost in the Groove Podcast

in the way that The way that Willie Nelson has been able to magically pick up a guitar and play music that is not your traditional country,

17:55.92

Jeff and Heath

Right.

17:57.88

Lost in the Groove Podcast

is something that is not normally predominant, you know, because you know his background, you know where he's coming from, you know, like you were saying, like your love of rock and grunge and kind of your interaction early on in the 80s with early hip hop.

18:10.29

Jeff and Heath

Mm hmm.

18:11.81

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You can have that with an artist that you almost grow

18:19.13

Lost in the Groove Podcast

How do I put this it's like you you you grow a new set of eyes? Almost like you can think deeper and see things deeper within music. Does that make sense?

18:29.46

Jeff and Heath

Sure. That's cool. I think we got a little REM, little BC boys, mean we little red hot chili peppers. yeah I think that kind of bullion base of those three groups.

18:37.00

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Ooh

18:41.32

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I mean, it was kind of the, you know, the era that you guys were around. And I mean, to be honest, those type of artists and creators, they kind of started something new, which is fuck the system.

18:50.79

Jeff and Heath

Mm hmm. Yep.

18:52.11

Lost in the Groove Podcast

um Fuck your label. Like, seriously, you look at a lot of these artists are like, fuck your label. I'm going to sign your stupid ass contract. Fuck you. you know people like I was hearing the other day which is something that a lot of people don't even talk about is like particularly with Madonna okay Madonna was this big-ass mogul this big-ass star but she said fuck you to the man too

19:00.99

Jeff and Heath

Yeah.

19:15.29

Lost in the Groove Podcast

and she had her own label and she pulled in artists and she helped build them along the way. I think that's something that you guys grew up with and experienced more, this level of like, hey, we love something, let's work together and make something really great.

19:21.22

Jeff and Heath

Mm hmm.

19:31.27

Jeff and Heath

Mm-hmm. And I think what I hear current is pretty artificial. It's pretty Overly produced sounds the same often and there's not a lot of life or creativity left It's it's like music by corporate and that happens often right it happened in the 80s pop music it happened in the 70s it happened even in the 60s before the Beatles were there and And even in the 50s, that's right.

19:56.17

Lost in the Groove Podcast

It happened in the

19:58.88

Jeff and Heath

There's always a corporate pressure to copycat what worked previously and make a risk-free song by committee.

20:10.80

Jeff and Heath

And that's, I just can't stand it.

20:13.15

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Mm-mm.

20:13.58

Jeff and Heath

So we're against that.

20:16.24

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

20:16.41

Jeff and Heath

I'm against that. Sex Pistols. Yeah. Yeah.

20:20.81

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I mean, think about even like with the beat the Beastie Boys, right?

20:20.98

Jeff and Heath

um

20:26.05

Lost in the Groove Podcast

They literally have a song about, um I can't remember the exact lyrics in the song. It's the one where I wanna party.

20:35.71

Jeff and Heath

Yeah.

20:36.77

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I want, yeah.

20:37.11

Jeff and Heath

Far from my right to party.

20:38.91

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah, and this is coming from a group of guys that were raised in the Upper East Side in New York.

20:42.01

Jeff and Heath

Mm hmm. Yeah.

20:45.46

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Their parents were wealthy. They went to like private schools. They had like the top of, the It's hilarious, cause they're not like saying that like they experienced it.

20:53.64

Jeff and Heath

Yeah.

20:56.29

Lost in the Groove Podcast

They're kinda like saying, hey guys, you know, like fuck our parents, they're not letting us have fun.

21:02.28

Jeff and Heath

Yeah, you've seen them haven't you? Yeah, I've seen them a couple times. They're awesome.

21:06.19

Lost in the Groove Podcast

They are. Do they still play?

21:07.46

Jeff and Heath

They're great. Well, one of them passed away, so they're not not not so much, right?

21:10.41

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah. One of them had like a like a memorial concert or something right after he passed, if I'm not mistaken.

21:18.57

Jeff and Heath

and Maybe, yeah. In fact, they have a... I was just up in New York this summer and went to B.C. Boy Plaza, so that was cool.

21:25.69

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh wow.

21:28.02

Jeff and Heath

That was cool.

21:28.32

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah. Is that like, is that kind of the inspiration that you guys have had from those other artists is how you've been able to make where you feel you've got your inspiration from other places for your music?

21:34.86

Jeff and Heath

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21:38.96

Jeff and Heath

I think it really for me and Heath, uh, I'll speak for myself. Heath can speak for himself. I, I've always, you know, since I could learn to play guitar, I've been writing a little riffs and little chord progressions. And then that's the end of it. That's it. There's just a cool riff, a cool little chord progression, but I can't really add a melody on top. And so I've played with 50 people over the last 30 years and none of them.

22:05.45

Jeff and Heath

connect with me in these riffs as much as Heath. And so there is a, you know, there is a mind meld there. And I think you would say the same thing. You play with folks and they just don't quite, you know, we don't quite have the spark as we do together. So Jeff and I all back in the day when, when the chill bumps were doing what they did. I mean, you know, we played some pretty big crowds, but Jeff and I always, we had, it was a five piece.

22:33.44

Jeff and Heath

band and the two of us were always set up on the same side so it was kind of that that chemistry that just developed over time plus you know so much happens when when you're playing live you know sometimes you're nervous sometimes you know things don't feel right sometimes yeah but sometimes you got some unruly jackass in the crowd who's

22:55.10

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh, of course.

22:55.87

Jeff and Heath

You know, and and ah Jeff was always kind of a ah security blanket for me too, you know, to to have there.

22:56.69

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Hacklers.

23:02.01

Jeff and Heath

I've kind of always needed, you know, some consistency with everything. So it really was seamless to come back here to Greenville. Jeff has a studio set up already and, you know, it was just like made to play.

23:16.57

Jeff and Heath

And so it was seamless for me to come back and just and pick it up where we left off. And it it felt just like that. I mean, it's like kind of riding a bike. We've written about 20-21 songs that are in various stages at the time. And some of them are I'm really excited about, which is it's really fun to you know be creating something that you're motivated with and and you think about. And you know I'm constantly, something is always in the back of my mind about how to improve it or what we need to add to it or you know how how we're going to kind of

23:52.71

Jeff and Heath

keep this thing progressing, but it's it's it's been it's been great. We had a ah Christmas song that we wrote. We were asked to write. we There's another podcast, Rock in the Suburbs, and they released an album, and we got to participate and put a song on track on that album.

24:08.42

Jeff and Heath

Christmas song, and we got the assignment in July. Never written a Christmas song before, and especially in the summer, but it wound up being pretty cool.

24:13.48

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

24:17.20

Jeff and Heath

I'm pretty proud of it.

24:18.41

Lost in the Groove Podcast

isn't um I mean, you you guys have noticed this before. like It's kind of weird how almost like there's a ah dominance within Christmas songs that it's like for years has always been those like handful of 50 songs or like kind of late 40s.

24:31.84

Jeff and Heath

know

24:33.74

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And there have been like some people that have managed to cross that like Mariah Carey as an example.

24:39.93

Jeff and Heath

baroc there obviously

24:41.83

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Um, but it's like almost kind of weird.

24:43.39

Jeff and Heath

but they're interesting that you bring that up but but but Well, they they all kind of have a similar sound, you know, that those, those, those Christmas songs are all kind of traditional and we kind of came out with something that breaks a little bit away from the mold.

24:44.20

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Like we're almost like, we're like kind of stuck. We're stuck in this every fucking Christmas.

24:58.40

Jeff and Heath

I think a lot of ways from it. It's not like your typical, you know, Christmas bells ringing.

25:04.31

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Tingling bells jingling.

25:05.52

Jeff and Heath

Exactly. It's called it Christmas lost today.

25:07.00

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

25:08.83

Jeff and Heath

It's a little more somber than a lot of Christmas songs.

25:12.52

Lost in the Groove Podcast

It's kind of like a sublime meets nirvana Christmas meets Willie Nelson.

25:15.21

Jeff and Heath

who i wish Meets Willie Nelson. yeah Got acoustic guitar on it.

25:19.57

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Okay.

25:20.66

Jeff and Heath

So, but it's great to take it out.

25:22.84

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

25:23.96

Jeff and Heath

Have your listeners check it out.

25:25.39

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh, for sure.

25:26.34

Jeff and Heath

It's on band camp, I think under rocking the holidays as the name of the album.

25:26.37

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Where can they?

25:30.29

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Okay. I like that.

25:31.90

Jeff and Heath

And our band name is Hekojinai.

25:36.03

Lost in the Groove Podcast

ah How do you spell that?

25:38.26

Jeff and Heath

H-E-C-O-J-E-N-I.

25:42.04

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Okay.

25:42.28

Jeff and Heath

Hekojinai.

25:43.00

Lost in the Groove Podcast

and i'm And I'm gonna make sure, I'll leave links below for any lazy people out there.

25:45.69

Jeff and Heath

Cool.

25:46.64

Lost in the Groove Podcast

So you just, you click with your finger.

25:46.72

Jeff and Heath

Yeah, I'm label.

25:49.48

Lost in the Groove Podcast

But what I was gonna, honestly, I found that really fascinating because like, right, isn't that, you know, there's there's like so many of these like boxes within the music world itself. Like we're just talking about like with Christmas songs.

26:02.10

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And I'm always fascinated of like, how does that happen? How does like one thing, like almost like a corporation take control of like,

26:10.77

Jeff and Heath

but

26:13.73

Lost in the Groove Podcast

a fucking holiday.

26:17.00

Jeff and Heath

Well, there's money to be made. There's corporations there that are making it.

26:19.60

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

26:21.74

Jeff and Heath

So that's what I think. And I'm pretty solid capitalist. I think that's what happens is there's money to be made and ah you know, you're going to find a way to make it.

26:32.39

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh, I mean, yeah, I mean, once you got a billion streams on Spotify for rocking around the Christmas tree, hey, and the lady is still alive.

26:39.75

Jeff and Heath

Yeah. I hope she's getting paid. I don't know where her contract was, but what is your story behind this?

26:44.63

Lost in the Groove Podcast

um

26:46.34

Jeff and Heath

i don't I'm not familiar with this. Well, most of those artists in the fifties signed away their life rights early on in their careers.

26:52.26

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I mean, she was 16 years old when she she saw.

26:56.25

Jeff and Heath

Brenda Lee.

26:57.23

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

26:58.90

Jeff and Heath

So I hope she got, I hope she got a piece of that action.

26:58.98

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And.

27:02.61

Jeff and Heath

Pretty sure Mariah Carey has a piece of that action.

27:05.35

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh, for sure, come on.

27:06.31

Jeff and Heath

Oh yeah. It's like a mint printing your own money every Christmas.

27:08.64

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

27:12.06

Lost in the Groove Podcast

But you know, ah something I've had to start realizing is, okay, even for myself, our YouTube channel has been highly, like, closed by YouTube because their algorithm won't push out our content because of the type of conversations I have and the type of people that I talk with.

27:26.94

Jeff and Heath

Oh. Hmm.

27:35.35

Lost in the Groove Podcast

you know, particularly even within music, you can clearly now see that there is a pattern, there's an agenda of what music gets pushed and what music doesn't.

27:43.34

Jeff and Heath

Hmm.

27:46.02

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Because if you go on social media or on certain platforms, so for example, like podcasts like we're doing right now, you get to actually interact with artists such as yourself that are in the real world that you can physically and now hear more clearly than ever.

28:02.65

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And you can see what they've been doing. They basically push up whatever the fuck they want and what they think is gonna sell and make money.

28:07.13

Jeff and Heath

with

28:08.61

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And then kind of everything else kind of gets pushed into the organized file all the way in the back office.

28:16.95

Jeff and Heath

Right, right. Well, it's interesting how AI might alter that if it's If it's able to rather, i'd rather I trust AI more than a human, right?

28:28.48

Jeff and Heath

To to say, this is cool enough to press forward as opposed to an algorithm that's controlled by people with their fingers on the dial saying favor people from this, you know, corporate entity.

28:47.50

Jeff and Heath

I'd rather it be a level playing field.

28:50.54

Lost in the Groove Podcast

yeah

28:50.56

Jeff and Heath

Although it's always been tough, right? I mean, we, back in the day, lugging equipment around the Southeast. I mean, making food money sometimes.

28:57.58

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

28:59.43

Jeff and Heath

I'm not sure that was any, any easier. It's easy to glamorize the past sometimes, but there was a stranglehold of on music in the eighties and nineties and it's always been.

29:10.60

Lost in the Groove Podcast

yeah Yeah. I mean, there's, you know, living paycheck to paycheck, or living literally living to your bottom dollar. And the thing that I kind of elevate is that there are some of us humans alive that strive to have not only a more meaningful life, but be able to spread our creativity, regardless of what we capture. Like, for example,

29:43.40

Lost in the Groove Podcast

um I think that you don't need to be famous to be a great artist. I think you just need to be a great artist. And not for the audience, but for yourself.

29:52.99

Jeff and Heath

that yeah

29:55.74

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You know that you're making music that you love and you want to share with the world.

30:01.31

Jeff and Heath

Yeah, that's that's really exciting. something Something that you are excited about making. And you know you're creating something and and putting it out there. It's really it's really special. I enjoy it a lot. I've forgotten how much I

30:19.24

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah. you know And I think that fame is is a great thing for a lot of people. But it's what you define it to be.

30:30.25

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You know, sometimes you can inspire somebody. You know, you can bring a shine of creativity upon somebody. um Even, for example, like between the two of yourself, right?

30:42.39

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You know, you're creating music back and forth. You kind of get to have a dynamic where you kind of share your artistry back with each other, you know?

30:49.71

Jeff and Heath

e

30:50.92

Lost in the Groove Podcast

um Jeff throws out an idea and he throws out an idea and you kind of put those things together and voila, you make a creation out of it. um that That in itself is unique.

31:04.08

Jeff and Heath

Now it's important to me, and like I said, ah i'll it'll something's always in the back of my head. with one of our songs and and a lot of times I'll i'll get an idea and I'll come back with je to Jeff. I've got an extra verse we need to put here. we We need to add some texture here. and you know The music that we're doing now, like I mentioned I think earlier, it's all and in kind of various stages of being done. I think really we've only got three to four that we would consider done, but even you were working on some of those today.

31:38.13

Jeff and Heath

So we have this weird idea of, yeah, this is cool, of engaging with an audience even before songs are fully complete and getting feedback and making it a little bit more crowdsourced, like kind of like open source a ofverse or that riff didn't work.

31:56.03

Jeff and Heath

or here's a cool riff I have that could go on top. We'd love to think about that. So yeah, so they could, you know, we put it out there, call it the open source project and then somebody listens to it and they get an idea. They can message Jeff with, you know, maybe a chord pattern or or maybe even vote anything really. And, you know, we we consider it and maybe it changes the song. So it's kind of a collaborative open source Project that you know, I heard I'm just it hit me There's like who's the guy that wrote with Jerry Garcia on the dead?

32:32.54

Jeff and Heath

There was a songwriter that wrote most of the lyrics like Jerry did right? No, he was a separate.

32:37.43

Lost in the Groove Podcast

No, no, no, I and hold on.

32:38.57

Jeff and Heath

You know who it is Google it's not like Reuben or something.

32:40.91

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Well, thank God. Yeah.

32:43.98

Jeff and Heath

No, but he I thought I saw That's right Rick Reuben

32:44.22

Lost in the Groove Podcast

No, Rick Rubin. Rick Rubin was ah he became famous because he handled the Beastie Boys. He he distributed their first album. OK, let me check.

32:56.00

Jeff and Heath

Well, this guy, you know, you look it up, this guy, he was talking about the song. What's the high on cooking Casey Jones. I don't know. Anyhow, he's like, that he was like, really? We wrote this on to where the verses could be added by anybody forever. It's so simple. It's two little couplets and he rattled off like another 10 couplets that didn't make it in the song. But he's like, it's all could have been 40 minutes long.

33:25.40

Jeff and Heath

and I thought it was pretty cool.

33:26.61

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I found, ah I think, is it Robert Hunter?

33:29.72

Jeff and Heath

Yeah, maybe that's it. That sounds right.

33:30.97

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

33:32.26

Jeff and Heath

That sounds right.

33:33.49

Lost in the Groove Podcast

But I mean, I, okay, here's here's ah here's a crazy story about Jerry Garcia.

33:38.70

Jeff and Heath

Yep.

33:39.10

Lost in the Groove Podcast

um For a lot of people that don't know this, ah Jerry Garcia albums are extremely rare, like records, like vinyl records.

33:44.94

Jeff and Heath

Mm-hmm. Right.

33:46.91

Lost in the Groove Podcast

They're extremely rare and they're very hard to come by.

33:49.36

Jeff and Heath

Hmm.

33:49.59

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Why? Well, when he died, a bunch of rich people thought it'd be a great idea to buy all of his records and then rack up the prices like nobody's business.

33:55.61

Jeff and Heath

Hmm.

33:58.33

Jeff and Heath

Nice.

34:00.93

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I have one Jerry Garcia album, and I i got it in ah Rhode Island.

34:01.45

Jeff and Heath

All right.

34:05.53

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I met this guy at ah at a fair in Providence, and I was like you know talking to him about music and stuff, and he was also an artist. It's just selling vinyl records. And he said to me, he's like, you know, you seem like the type of artist that'll like this.

34:18.60

Lost in the Groove Podcast

He goes like behind one of the ah cartons that was full of vinyl, and he pulls out a Jerry Garcia one, and he's like, it's $15.

34:27.08

Jeff and Heath

Wow. So I'm curious.

34:28.40

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I have the first edition,: 1973

34:33.63

Jeff and Heath

Hmm. So what put a dollar on it?

34:34.35

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Pay $15.

34:36.16

Jeff and Heath

what What do you think it's worth?

34:38.03

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I checked up on discogs. It's worth between $500 to $650.

34:43.35

Jeff and Heath

right Nice.

34:44.44

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

34:44.83

Jeff and Heath

Nice. Cool.

34:46.01

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

34:46.57

Jeff and Heath

Good job.

34:47.69

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Thank you. But I mean, I'm still kind of pissed off at those people that did that because, like, they took away something that a lot of people can enjoy, you know?

34:55.39

Jeff and Heath

Mm hmm.

34:56.49

Lost in the Groove Podcast

That is something, by the way, like you guys just brought up what you think is really important, is there was a way where you can kind of take away a person's right to share their music.

35:06.13

Jeff and Heath

yeah

35:06.76

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And we we see this with a lot of artists. I mean, It just goes through the list. But you being able to say, no, like I want to share my music. I want to hear what people have to say.

35:18.40

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And like, nobody can stop you.

35:19.48

Jeff and Heath

Yeah. Mm hmm.

35:20.37

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I mean, it's it's out there publicly. Like there's no guardrails of any kind. It's like you're able to be at the top of the hill whenever you want to be.

35:29.52

Jeff and Heath

Mm hmm. Yeah, that's one thing that's changed for the good, I think. We could write a song this afternoon and it could be on Spotify by midnight.

35:34.11

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

35:39.73

Jeff and Heath

Crazy. That's never happened before in the history of mankind.

35:43.06

Lost in the Groove Podcast

No, no.

35:43.10

Jeff and Heath

Crazy. That's really crazy. And the tools that you have, you know, on your desktop are as good as the studio we recorded in 30 years ago.

35:51.61

Lost in the Groove Podcast

He's sometimes even better.

35:53.74

Jeff and Heath

Oh yeah.

35:54.88

Lost in the Groove Podcast

some i I remember I had, um I think it was somebody that I had on the podcast or somebody that I talked with.

35:55.11

Jeff and Heath

It's the talent.

36:01.40

Jeff and Heath

Mm-hmm.

36:02.04

Lost in the Groove Podcast

as a ah sound engineer in the: 1970

36:05.16

Jeff and Heath

Cool. Yeah.

36:07.84

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And he used to tell me, he's like, first off, you don't understand how bad these sound machines were.

36:11.76

Jeff and Heath

Mm hmm.

36:12.33

Lost in the Groove Podcast

They pulled out so much heat. Okay, they they had to have to keep these rooms very, very cold. And he said like, it could be 98 degrees outside in July, but you come into work, you put on a thick jacket, and you go in and you work in the studio.

36:28.17

Jeff and Heath

Crazy. Is that all those tubes?

36:28.92

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And yeah, you know, and back then, the way that they used to have to be able to do synthesizers, especially in the late 70s was like,

36:29.99

Jeff and Heath

Yeah. Yeah.

36:38.79

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You move your hand the wrong way, you hit the key, like that's it. You gotta take out the the real tape, cut it.

36:44.65

Jeff and Heath

That's right, session's over.

36:46.34

Lost in the Groove Podcast

There you go, you gotta start all over again. um It's just crazy in how like we went from physical cellophane all the way now to digital construction and I think like To your point, even with AI, there's been a lot of benefits with AI.

37:02.56

Lost in the Groove Podcast

like Think about it. we We could maybe be able to take some of the works of like Amy Winehouse, for example, that was never finished and be able to bring them out to full production.

37:07.89

Jeff and Heath

me

37:10.90

Lost in the Groove Podcast

There could be ways, for example, in the future where you guys can use AI to be able to reformulate your music in different ways that you never thought of before.

37:19.33

Jeff and Heath

Mm hmm. Yeah.

37:20.80

Lost in the Groove Podcast

um I don't know. like i yeah it did It's really fascinating where we are now. and Keep in mind, this has only been 30 years, right?

37:27.05

Jeff and Heath

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

37:29.24

Lost in the Groove Podcast

This isn't a long period of history.

37:29.59

Jeff and Heath

Yeah. That's right. It's amazing.

37:33.91

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

37:34.05

Jeff and Heath

Well, and I think the a whole AI driven and corporate driven when we were talking about earlier, uh, producing by committee, I think that's going to open markets for a little more low fi, a little DIY.

37:46.66

Jeff and Heath

Like people crave human interaction more so than machine interaction. I think inside, I don't know. I think that there's going to be a renaissance of roots based, simple drums, bass, guitar, vocal kind of approach.

38:02.55

Jeff and Heath

That's how most of our songs start. And then we we do layer in some stuff on top of hand claps and weird synthesizer stuff.

38:08.56

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah. Something I ran ah ah across on Spotify recently, which I didn't even know was a thing and I had to like research this.

38:18.20

Jeff and Heath

Hmm.

38:18.77

Lost in the Groove Podcast

there are these playlists that are recordings of Japanese singers in jazz clubs, or late nightclubs in like the 60s and 70s.

38:29.39

Lost in the Groove Podcast

But they've used AI to edit them. So it sounds more cleaner.

38:34.66

Jeff and Heath

Okay.

38:34.75

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And you can kind of hear the interest of instruments better. You can kind of hear also like the musician like the actual like singer singing a lot better.

38:41.00

Jeff and Heath

Yeah. Cool.

38:42.74

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And I'm like,

38:45.65

Lost in the Groove Podcast

to this example, right? you know You're able to take something like that and make something completely different.

38:46.94

Jeff and Heath

Hmm.

38:50.99

Jeff and Heath

Yeah, yeah. Yep. Resurrected.

38:53.59

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

38:54.39

Jeff and Heath

It's cool. Exciting times.

38:56.78

Lost in the Groove Podcast

It is. how have um You mentioned a little bit, how have you guys, liked have you adapted any of these things or not really?

39:04.07

Jeff and Heath

Yeah, yeah. we we use We use some generation of drum tracks sometimes. And that's really the extent of AI, I guess, some drum tracks. Yeah.

39:19.84

Jeff and Heath

But I mean, we, we have tools, the automation and all that kind of stuff. So we're learning, learning those tools and primarily use logic pro on a Mac.

39:24.34

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh my god, it's amazing.

39:28.13

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Especially looping.

39:31.14

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah, oh, it's excellent.

39:33.14

Jeff and Heath

Yeah, that's crazy.

39:35.16

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah, and I mean, like, but pretty much anybody can do this, right? You know, you can just go on your Mac or you can go on any computer and you can just immediately start working on these things.

39:42.14

Jeff and Heath

That's right. Yep.

39:47.32

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And I just, You know, even for the both of yourselves, right, you know, coming from, you usually you came from musical background, you play guitar, being able to see like the progression of how much you can now do with the same instrument you remember starting with, you know, all the way now, all the way now.

40:08.38

Jeff and Heath

a Well, one thing that I've done, I guess every once in a while we'll do this. Like I'll play a chord progression and then you used to be able to record on your iPhone. They had an app called Music Memo. They've since killed it. What's cool about Music Memo, if you record a little part of guitar, it will determine the chord progression. It'll show you the chords and it'll determine the rhythm.

40:36.10

Jeff and Heath

And then if you mash a button, it'll create a drum track and a bass track, which is really cool. And so sometimes I've done the guitar in there and and then and then it'll create us three separate tracks that you can then import first in the garage band and then into logic. And I'll take that. Bass track it's now created in MIDI and put that back into the logic, but I won't play it as a base. I'll play it as like a weird synthesizer or.

41:07.33

Jeff and Heath

or even like another drum track, but that drum is now following the rhythm and the chord progression of the original, uh, original guitar. So that's cool.

41:18.30

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

41:18.69

Jeff and Heath

That's cool and different. And maybe we chop it up and just use a little bit of it here and there, but that's, that's kind of a machine driven. You couldn't, couldn't do that before.

41:30.29

Lost in the Groove Podcast

No, but I think that's amazing too because like you being able to kind of having an idea and then kind of like putting it together.

41:32.30

Jeff and Heath

Pretty cool.

41:38.66

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I play a little bit of guitar so you know kind of having that idea of like where your fingers are supposed to go and how you're strumming and then

41:40.45

Jeff and Heath

Cool.

41:46.65

Lost in the Groove Podcast

having that um I don't know if they possibly might have an app similar. um I don't know if they do. But that is really cool because it kind of gives you that extra element as an artist. Yeah. Heath, you mentioned that you do songwriting. So you you like it you you write mostly lyrics. Is that correct?

42:06.76

Jeff and Heath

So yes, and and kind of turn them into a melody to match Jeff's kind of jazz fusion craziness he comes up with. um But it's it's it's working.

42:18.40

Jeff and Heath

I like to you know try to come up with a melody that you might would hum in the shower, something that a loop that kind of sticks with you is is you know kind of kind of the goal, something you know catchy that that has a hit to that has a hitch to it and and

42:35.18

Lost in the Groove Podcast

It has a good rhythm rhythm to it.

42:36.72

Jeff and Heath

it sticks in your head. so

42:38.53

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

42:40.76

Jeff and Heath

But yeah, no, it's it's kind ah quite a fun little process that we've got kind of figured out. We've each got our roles, and you I wind up liking 90% of the weird stuff Jeff comes up with, and I don't i don't know how he does it. He played bass in our old band, but we've kind of switched up a little bit. I'm playing some bass now. He's doing guitar now, and So, you know, it just kind of depends on on what the song is and where he's going with it.

43:10.45

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah. So the both of you, you guys just play bass and guitar. Do you play any other instruments?

43:16.26

Jeff and Heath

I'll play drums a little bit. I mean, anything really. We've got, you know, we've got some harmonica in there. We've got some ssion percussion. We've got a sitar.

43:26.61

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh, wow.

43:27.85

Jeff and Heath

yeah we jeff Jeff's got a little collection of things. him And our first CD that we put out the chill bumps, Jeff brought a mishmash of stuff into the studio for us to use. He had nailed an air conditioning grate to a wood board we used as a scrape.

43:43.11

Jeff and Heath

You know, and ah any anything's an instrument, I guess, o at some point. But yeah, it's kind of the same thing. So now we're just switching up, just depending on who writes what. and You know, he may he may be playing guitar on it.

43:55.71

Jeff and Heath

You know, I may be, you know, doing some drums on it. You know, it just depends. Not no limits.

44:00.62

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah, no limits. But I like that too, I mean, because, you know, being able to create music for rhythm um is actually there are many different ways of how music is made.

44:14.27

Lost in the Groove Podcast

But what I find fascinating about creating music for rhythm is it's like almost what you said where you can kind of hum it in the shower, like you can hear the song and you can kind of like know

44:21.80

Jeff and Heath

Mm.

44:25.04

Lost in the Groove Podcast

where the rhythm is going and you can kind of know where the words are going as you're singing it, right?

44:29.31

Jeff and Heath

Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, I mean, the melody is what people remember.

44:33.93

Lost in the Groove Podcast

and

44:36.40

Jeff and Heath

I mean, that that's that's what separates i try to write a songs from people who want to sing, you know that people people will hum, that it's you know it's catchy, and'll it'll stick with you.

44:44.30

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

44:50.52

Jeff and Heath

So anyway, that's that's kind of the goal.

44:52.20

Lost in the Groove Podcast

yeah

44:53.52

Jeff and Heath

And we've we've come up with some pretty neat things recently. I'm pretty proud of it.

44:59.62

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Well, you know, I think all artists get inspiration from somewhere. um I mean, particularly like now with your your writing style and and you be making making music. Where do you think like a lot of your inspiration has been coming from most recently?

45:14.50

Jeff and Heath

I mean, I have a favorite band and we sound nothing like him, but I love Maynard James Keenan from Tool. I mean, I love him.

45:20.98

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh, wow, you're a tool fan.

45:22.38

Jeff and Heath

I mean, oh, big time.

45:22.72

Lost in the Groove Podcast

I love that.

45:25.00

Jeff and Heath

I saw him in North Carolina, I guess a couple of years ago, a few years ago, last time I seen him. But, and I think he writes some really profound lyrics too and a lot of it is very spiritual.

45:36.08

Jeff and Heath

So, I won't say he's like an influence on my music. Like I said, we don't sound anything like it, but you know, I'm a big big fan of his.

45:45.51

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah, and I find that really interesting. I particularly I like metal too. I think a lot of people kind of find like the dark art that I call it the dark arts of music.

45:56.25

Jeff and Heath

sure i can see why and harry potter

45:57.43

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and the yeah there's like there's like this almost like awe of like screaming out your pain and sorrows.

45:59.93

Jeff and Heath

the darkard

46:07.83

Lost in the Groove Podcast

But to your point, too, there's something about it that's spiritual. I always felt like there's a spirituality to heavy metal, you know, hard rock where you can kind of like connect and feel the pain and relate at the same time.

46:25.20

Jeff and Heath

sir

46:26.48

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah. Is that, um I mean, pertaining to like that being an inspiration, when you're when you're writing your music, do you kind of kind of find that as well, like being able to find a connection to spirituality when you're making your music?

46:39.26

Jeff and Heath

sir oh absolutely a lot of my lyrics i think are based on my little two years i had out in the open water you know that the guy i ran the boat from was kind of a hard drinking womanizer captain and he he told me before i went out there He said, uh, be careful about looking for God because you'll find him. And I thought he was, he was kind of joking. Maybe he didn't want me to not be his bar buddy anymore or something. I don't know, but let me tell you something. He was right. You you get out there and and um on the water and you start asking questions. Anybody you start asking questions, you're going to find answers. And, you know, certainly, uh, the music that

47:22.31

Jeff and Heath

The lyrics that I'm coming up with a lot now, I tried and some of them have a lot to do with this awakening that it seems like we're going through as a ah society, this kind of consciousness that's stirring and causing a lot of changes in the world right now. And I'm a firm believer that we're kind of smack dab in the middle of some pretty cool shit going on.

47:44.91

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah, I think that for one of the first times in an industrial society, and maybe in any modern civilization, we're more aware of our surroundings. you know To that example, I mean, a lot of us go through shit, and I can even imagine for yourself, you know being in that place where you need a sense of solitude, you just need to get away, um is understandable.

48:11.55

Lost in the Groove Podcast

you know We go through a lot. You know, people think that life is easy. It ain't easy, all right? You know, and it's crazy because sometimes all you need is just that one experience. Sometimes it's multiple experiences that really opens your eyes to what you what you're actually capable of, what you didn't believe you were capable of.

48:39.64

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

48:43.00

Lost in the Groove Podcast

um ah What I wanted to, you know, you guys were kind of talking about earlier with, um you know, your early experience like coming from college and you guys eventually like coming together and kind of being able to form what you have now.

48:56.15

Lost in the Groove Podcast

um Besides your artist creativity and your story, have you been able to search out or be able to connect to any other types of artistry that you may find relatable? you know like I know some artists are like always just instruments or sometimes just creating music, but sometimes there's other things that we like to do as well. you know

49:17.54

Jeff and Heath

who Just the painter, he's he's got a lot of lot of art hanging and in the studio that I've been pretty impressed with. that I wasn't aware of some of his latent talents, but, you know, just got some pretty good paintings.

49:33.83

Lost in the Groove Podcast

What do you paint?

49:35.24

Jeff and Heath

Uh, you know, it's, it was, it was really, um, task-driven. So I went to Paris with one of my best friends and his wife, and they'd never been, I'd been a couple of times.

49:49.28

Jeff and Heath

So I was looking for something new to do. Like, I mean, we're gonna go to Eiffel Tower, we're gonna go to Notre Dame, we're gonna go to Hallelujah. So I was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go on a chef's market day.

50:01.55

Jeff and Heath

And that's people I like to cook too. And it was like 800 bucks a person.

50:03.75

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

50:06.00

Jeff and Heath

I was like, yeah, that's crazy. So, but they have this other thing. It's like an artist day where they, you show up one of these four or five locations based on the weather and the sun. And you paint, you paint something, but that was also like 800 bucks.

50:20.51

Jeff and Heath

I'm like, that's just crazy. 800 is four of us. Not going to do that. I think I can do this myself. So I bought supplies and I went to, went to Paris. And I painted like the Eiffel Tower, duh, duh, duh. Uh, Giverny, I painted, uh, Normandy coast where war two was cut and provides a couple of the places. Anyhow, I like miniatures, little ones. I'd never, I hadn't painted since kindergarten and it was fun and it was cool. Like I've never gone to Genevieve and I've set up, it's kind of drizzly. Right. Now ex-wife, she's like, I'm going to the car. It's ah it set up.

51:00.83

Jeff and Heath

and this school tip people school teacher brings her class around me to watch me like I knew what I was doing where so I did that I did that same kind of thing in Bermuda and then I think I said REM is my favorite band and I what about the artist you you uh uh retained to do the Beastie Boys I'll get to that okay so pam I'm painting the first six albums by REM

51:15.90

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Mm hmm. Great band.

51:30.44

Jeff and Heath

chronic town to document their IRS years.

51:32.11

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh, dad painting the album covers.

51:34.65

Jeff and Heath

Yes. So I've done about three, uh, and I got three more to do and they turned out better.

51:37.12

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh, wow. How big are they?

51:41.01

Jeff and Heath

They're 24 by 24. So double the album with that.

51:43.32

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Jesus, man.

51:45.31

Jeff and Heath

So they're pretty cool. I'm proud of those. Yeah. I'm surprised. Yep.

51:49.52

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Wow.

51:50.25

Jeff and Heath

Yeah. Where did this come from? Yeah.

51:52.62

Lost in the Groove Podcast

guy

51:53.09

Jeff and Heath

but so

51:54.56

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You know what? I honestly feel like that is um that is kind of like our sense of like connection to because like being an artist doesn't mean like you're good at just one thing.

52:05.11

Lost in the Groove Podcast

It means, you know, you could like many different things. You know, like, for example, myself, like I love podcasting. I draw myself. I kind of dabble doing music. I love cars. I'm currently going to school to be like an auto technician because, you know, oh, my God, the sound of some V8 and that hum.

52:16.01

Jeff and Heath

oh wow.

52:23.50

Lost in the Groove Podcast

ooh Ooh. But, you know, being able to take those passions and things and be able to do things with them, I think is kind of like, again, like the the thing that we should be doing as people.

52:36.22

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Instead of just sitting on your fucking ass and complaining how miserable the world is, do something, you know?

52:37.07

Jeff and Heath

Uh-huh.

52:41.95

Jeff and Heath

Uh-huh, uh-huh.

52:42.90

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Go have fun. Go be that 12-year-old and fucking slam a ball out, and you know, in the backyard.

52:44.83

Jeff and Heath

Yeah.

52:48.94

Jeff and Heath

and And be grateful every day.

52:51.04

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

52:51.11

Jeff and Heath

Yup, yup. It really shapes shapes each day, you know, sets you up for success, kind of waking up with that positive mindset. You're grateful for this, not focus on on what you're lacking, but focusing on what you have.

53:04.92

Jeff and Heath

And, you know, no telling sky's the limit. No telling what's going to happen. I get excited every morning.

53:09.37

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah. Yeah. i You know, I remember I heard – I was watching a YouTube clip. I forgot the artist that was saying this. He said that back in the 70s, when people would ask you um what kind of job that you had,

53:25.67

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Most people would answer that they have a job that they love and they're passionate about, but generally speaking, they weren't paid a lot for them. People were more interested in getting jobs that were creative and they felt like a sense of passion towards, and then get some kind of mundane and miserable job. I don't know how accurate or true this is, but I like the idea of it.

53:47.48

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You know, even for myself, right? There are many different ways as artists to be able to stay afloat. You know, be able to create a way that you're able to financially stay on your own two feet.

53:59.57

Lost in the Groove Podcast

And there are many ways that people do this. You know, you have people that are insanely amazing chefs, but the great guitarist too. You know, you have incredible tattoo artists that are also incredibly amazing chefs.

54:07.64

Jeff and Heath

global

54:11.54

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You know, it's not what we give out, but what we can give to ourselves. You know, exactly.

54:17.62

Jeff and Heath

Love what you do and you'll never work a day in your life. Did you come up with a wish?

54:24.24

Lost in the Groove Podcast

That's okay. You know what? For the sake of this, Heath, it's a Heath quote.

54:28.03

Jeff and Heath

that a hint That's a Heath quote I appreciate it. I'll take credit

54:32.97

Lost in the Groove Podcast

All right.

54:35.40

Lost in the Groove Podcast

um Before we wrap up, ah you know you you guys mentioned your music. Do you have a website, like your social media?

54:43.48

Jeff and Heath

Yeah.

54:44.22

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Walk me through all this, because

54:45.81

Jeff and Heath

Yeah. Yeah. I think the best place to land is a head coach and I.com and that'll take you to wherever our music that'll take you get in contact with us. Um, and then all the socials were just starting to think about how to market.

55:01.90

Jeff and Heath

Uh, we wanted to focus on the songs first, get three or four songs ready to be released.

55:07.04

Lost in the Groove Podcast

have you thought about rumble by any chance we um I started because I told you we've been limited by YouTube um we put it on rumble and our numbers are a lot higher than they're on on YouTube

55:09.42

Jeff and Heath

I don't think so. Tell me why. What's.

55:15.78

Jeff and Heath

Yeah.

55:20.95

Jeff and Heath

Oh, cool. So how is Rumble related to it Truth Social or or Trump somehow? Isn't there some kind of... and no I know it's a publicly traded stock, right? It's a publicly traded company and it's it does well when... X or Twitter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you aware of that angle? It's like the anti-Twitter, isn't is it? Is that what it is? I don't know.

55:44.35

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Well, Rumble is kind of like the anti-YouTube in the sense where as a creator and a content maker, they're very upfront with you.

55:52.28

Jeff and Heath

Mm hmm.

55:52.28

Lost in the Groove Podcast

They're like, we're willing to monetize, which give you a fraction of amount, but it's kind of built around like the community of people that are posting. So unlike YouTube, which uses an algorithm that, you know, has keywords and phrases and kind of goes through your video, Rumble is kind of more of where It's up there.

56:10.43

Lost in the Groove Podcast

It could be whatever you want. Like, I'll be honest with you. There are some stuff on Rumble. Oh, my God. Like, bad. Okay, like, yeah, like we're talking KKK, white nationalist, like, bad shit.

56:20.04

Jeff and Heath

Oh, yeah.

56:23.57

Jeff and Heath

oh

56:25.74

Lost in the Groove Podcast

But it's kind of the price you have to pay to almost give, you know, that form of free speech and open-mindedness and kind of allow people to find whatever they need to.

56:35.70

Jeff and Heath

who

56:36.00

Lost in the Groove Podcast

um But That would be the only con I would say about it, but yeah, that's kind of the reason why I kind of went towards Rumble and kind of gave it a little bit of a shot, but yeah Yeah Awesome, I mean you guys have said you've been working on music.

56:44.88

Jeff and Heath

Mm-hmm All right, well we'll put it in our hopper take a look

56:56.58

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Have you gotten anything released recently?

56:59.13

Jeff and Heath

Yeah. Well, we had the one, the Christmas song got released, um, through the rock and the suburbs podcast on band camp. Our stuff is available on SoundCloud, but we have a playlist of, I dunno, seven songs that we're called work in progress. That's what people can kind of check out and give us their two cents. And then we have another folder of maybe 15 songs. That's not quite yet ready for that honest feedback. It would be too harsh.

57:26.86

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

57:27.80

Jeff and Heath

We're not, we feel emotionally mature, but and maybe not quite that amount of emotional security.

57:32.99

Lost in the Groove Podcast

You're men at work. No pun intended.

57:35.16

Jeff and Heath

That's right. I love that. ba

57:37.12

Lost in the Groove Podcast

and have great band. here um But yeah, I mean, listen, i I honestly appreciate you guys coming on. I think that having these conversations and being able to talk about the different ways of creating music and just the different ways of like we as artists or just people in general, just finding what you love and making something really awesome with it, right?

57:59.57

Jeff and Heath

Yeah.

58:00.41

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Yeah.

58:00.47

Jeff and Heath

I really appreciate you having us on the show. Yeah, it was great. Really enjoyed talking to you.

58:05.88

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Oh, my pleasure, my man. Well, listen to anybody out there. If you want to check out more of the podcast, you can find us on all the socials and at Lost in the Groove Pod. So with that, catch you guys on the next one.

58:16.87

Lost in the Groove Podcast

Peace out.

58:17.11

Jeff and Heath

Awesome. Thank you.

58:18.17

Lost in the Groove Podcast

yeah

58:18.34

Jeff and Heath

See you, buddy.