Episode 262
#262 - Interview with podcaster Jake Green
We break down what’s gone wrong in Hollywood, of course the clutter, the soullessness, and obsession with trends. Why indie creators have become the new heartbeat. Jake opens up about filmmaking as a team sport. The danger of chasing comfort, and the pressure of working in a world. That expects instant perfection. The conversation swings from Wes Anderson to The Matrix sequels. From South Park’s cultural power to the future of AI in film. It’s blunt, it’s funny, and it’s everything filmmaking conversations are supposed to be. Honest and a little uncomfortable.
We also, got personal the fear of missing your moment. The frustration of bad writing sinking good movies. The optimism needed to keep creating, and the reality that humans everywhere want; the same things. Which boils down to purpose, connection, and something real to hold onto. Jake brings that rare mix of grounded filmmaker insight. The "don’t-bullshit-me", honesty that’s impossible to fake.
Where to Find Jake Green?
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Transcript
Interview with Jake Green
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[:Jake Green: That's hilarious.
Dave: Oh my
Jake Green: That's such a good quote.
Dave: No, but I, it's just the Idiocracy of engineering, right? Because I think engineering is just an incredible thing that we have I know even, especially in filmmaking, the amount of engineering that's kind of come along to pack things more into smaller packages, making it easier to have
Jake Green: You're
Dave: remote team doing things virtually instead of constantly being in the
Jake Green: constantly being in the same
Dave: has changed a lot of
Jake Green: change. A lot of,
Dave: But at the same
Jake Green: but at the same time as also like
Dave: a lot more complicated than they need.
n't like why? What happened? [:Dave: And then you get those people that are blaming chat, GPT or some language
Jake Green: Oh,
Dave: for the problem. I'm like, it's not the ai that's the problem, man. It's you
Jake Green: yeah. Humans also designed those things though it's, it's still human's fault. It has nothing to do with the AI itself.
nes are going more than like [:Jake Green: It is extremely distracting. It's, it's like you're watching augmented reality sports, which is infuriating. Like, I don't know if you remember this, but like 20 years ago they tried in hockey, they tried to put a blue dot around the puck
Dave: Dude.
Jake Green: and it was the most annoying thing I've ever seen.
Dave: It was so
Jake Green: Like I, I don't wanna watch video games.
Like, I just wanna, I wanna watch real life.
hnology to the point where I [:That's over like 25 years ago.
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: how, how, how, who, why, how did this, it's like, it's bizarre. It's supposed to go this way, not that way.
Jake Green: Yeah. Well, once the barrier for entry got lowered, it means people have a lot less expertise in whatever subject they're actually working on. And so like, you know, you and I can make a podcast with very little equipment, very little software, and it can still look and sound good. Um, but for the arts that are a little more complicated, like CG, I, like anything in that realm.
re masters at it back in the [:Dave: Yeah.
have gotten Toy Story like people, I know this sounds
Jake Green: Yeah.
or:Jake Green: I think it was 94.
Dave: who was doing that back then to that,
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: about a full animated CGI movie from start to finish.
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: You, you, you gotta have the best freaking team. Back then. Okay. there was no wifi back then. All right. Let, let me just explain this to you, okay? There was LAN cables, there was ethernet cables. Like you wanted a page to load. It could take an hour if it was more than a megabyte.
Jake Green: Yeah, it really was. It was very looking back on. That's funny.
e pretty much, anybody could [:Jake Green: Mm-hmm.
Dave: you still, like you said, you need to have that level of expertise.
You can't just be good at this. You have to master this.
Jake Green: Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And now, now, I mean, people aren't even masters at it. And now they're gonna start, they've introduced AI video, so now people are gonna start just creating video from prompts. Um, which I, I just have massive problems with, um, in the grand scheme of things. But, uh, it's, it's gonna, it's gonna get worse.
It's gonna get a lot worse.
. [:Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: Nobody really goes out to watch movies anymore. Now, most people getting movie recommendations or learning about films that people are making, such as yourself, it's like podcasters, from YouTubers, from people going on
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: on rumble. The culture has changed.
What's odd man is is that like have people such as yourself that are actually changing, and yet those cock suckers are still stuck in their Bugatti and think they're okay for the next five years.
eople who are, who think too [:Well, podcasters have gotten so much power that they're now featured on South Park episodes. Like that's freaking bizarre.
Dave: I know you went from Saddam Hussein to like mediocre celebrities to now you've got podcasters on South Park. I mean, what's even more bizarre man is you have CBS that's trying to buy South Park for like astronomic amount of money, and it's like the biggest oxymoron that you could possibly think of.
ow a mixed race couple in the:We've never done anything bad. I'm like, okay. All right. Sure. You keep doing
Jake Green: Yeah, dude, they would absolutely ruin South Park Moon. Like it. I'm not, I'm just not sure. Like I, Matt and Trey can be bought at this point. Like they just seem like equal opportunity. Screw everybody or just make fun of everybody. It doesn't really matter who's paying them. Um. I don't know if there's one thing I have faith in.
It's South Park.
Dave: They are in many ways, like our current, like Chechen ch like Chechen Chung is still alive, like
Jake Green: Yeah,
Dave: Chechen Chung was for the seventies and eighties, they're, they're are South Park for like the late nineties, two thousands.
Jake Green: yeah, yeah. You're not wrong.
Dave: no bro. And it's, it's hilarious. 'cause Chechen Chong, they're still going at it strong, bro.
Like [:Jake Green: What?
Dave: Yeah, they have a fucking TikTok page. They'd be like posting like dances and then like smoking, like absorbing large. Like there's one weird Cheech was just like. Yo, you want another hit? And he's like, I don't know, man.
I'm getting up there real high. And he's like, What?
You are old. He's no. He's like, no, man. I had like six before this one. I'm like, damn, they're old. And they're still funny.
Jake Green: Oh Lord, I had no idea they had a TikTok
Dave: TikTok, man. Oh,
Jake Green: just proves that they do it because they love to do it. 'cause you know, they're set for life, but they're still doing things. That's incredible.
Dave: I, I think of it as you have these envisionary like visionaries that are artists that, regardless of all the stuff that they did, 'cause let's be honest, like a lot of the stuff that they put out, this could land you in prison, you
Jake Green: Mm-hmm.
Dave: case, getting [:Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: they're fine. You know, they, they
Jake Green: Yep.
Dave: arrested.
They've never really, they've suffered some consequences, but
Jake Green: They have.
Dave: they're good, know.
Jake Green: Yep. They're still going, man. Yeah. That's amazing.
Dave: I wonder, I wonder if that's something that like almost where you're not supposed to know, this idea of if you try to be different, you try to be unique and try to create something of your own, that if you stay true to it you don't try to like chase trends or try to be something that you're not, you actually can get somewhere.
reas if you're just yourself [:Um, and like, you know, I know he's the go-to that everyone always cites, but like Rogan is. Evidence of that. You know, he never had a sponsor. He's never adv or no, he's never advertised for his show ever. And he just did it 'cause he loved doing it. And he's a naturally curious dude. And you know, he's biggest podcast on earth.
It's frigging wild.
Dave: But there, there are things to always keep in mind in regards to. What comes along the way in the sense
Jake Green: Mm.
il and you're probably gonna [:Jake Green: I am pretty sure you gotta be uncomfortable a lot of the time. Um, living in discomfort I think, uh, helps you move forward. Um. And helps you find solutions and, and be creative. I I, if you're, if you're too comfortable on a set or making a movie or a podcast or what have you, if, if things get too comfortable and you don't get the butterflies or you don't get nervous at all, um, it's probably time to make a change and, and maybe, uh, probably something that will make you a little nervous.
ss it depends on what you're [:Dave: the
Jake Green: and
Dave: of Atlanta.
Jake Green: there we go. Yeah. It's just entertainment. It doesn't matter what happens, people are gonna watch it 'cause it's dumb, people being dumb people on screen.
Um, so I guess depends on what your goals are. If your goal is just to make money, then sure. Um. Don't challenge yourself or anything, just go where the money goes. But I don't really care to do that, and I respect far more of the people who don't do that. Um, the people who do challenge themselves and, uh, don't take the easy path.
Dave: I don't think there is. This is the issue, is this idea of an easy path,
Jake Green: Mm.
be handed the golden ticket [: uman side of their life, not [:But if you like, think for a second on how you feel at certain times when certain things happen and, and reflect on your own emotions and your own personal struggles, like they're going through the exact same stuff. They just might have a little more money and have to deal with slightly different things, or less money or more friends or fewer friends or, you know, what have you.
rather than. Um, chasing the [:Chasing the money.
Dave: No, and I, I, I think a really great point to it is like bring up a lot of famous people, but I think one great example is Wes Anderson. You know, there is a lot of behind the fact that he comes from a very affluent background, but the thing is, the man is an incredible filmmaker. I mean, the ideas that he comes up with, like genius. So what he comes
Jake Green: Yes.
Dave: background, like he figured it.
love Wes Anderson and I will [:Or just when I'm in the mood for a Wes Anderson film. 'cause he just has that. Yeah, he just has a very unique style that's all him.
Dave: I, the first Wes Anderson film I ever watched was the Grand Budapest Hotel,
Jake Green: Oh wow.
Dave: and I remember sitting there watching the movie and I felt like I was in the movie. Like
Jake Green: Hmm.
Dave: you ever have that experience where You're, just like, you could feel the walls, you could feel the cold, you could like smell the burn. To be honest, the story was bizarre, made no sense. It was completely stupid, but I didn't care. It was just, it was the like the best two hours I probably had in a long time. I think that's also something that gets so lost is don't have to be real. Where did this thing start existing where films have to be exactly like real life, who says.
Jake Green: [:Brainless. Um, not that it's brainless to make them, it's brainless to watch them, um,
Dave: It's
. Films. Yeah. Mind numbing. [:Dave: No.
Jake Green: yeah, that's, uh, that's my thought on that, I think.
Dave: I, you, you bring up an excellent point. I mean, how much can you possibly pack into a film until it's like, enough is enough. You know, to the point where you literally have now Andy, Adam Sandler's making a Happy Gilmore two. Why do you think Adam Sandler's making Happy Gilmore too? It's because like so tired of all the shit that's going on.
It's like, yeah, bring back Happy Gilmore. Like, bring back all the racist comments. Bring back him being a white piece of white trash, you know, like stuck in his forties. Now he's in his fifties. Like people love that. So why? It's like not socially, who if it's socially acceptable? Like, what
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: to be like like society or like, oh, you can't say that 'cause like it's oppressing this people. I'm like, I don't care. It's a movie. Calm
Jake Green: a movie.
Dave: Jeez.
Jake Green: yeah.
Dave: [:Jake Green: not just, you know, it's happened throughout the centuries too. I mean, people banned books, burn books, like it, it's not just the movie industry, it's, it's happened to literature, it's happened to poetry, it's happened to a whole bunch of stuff. So like people, people tend to think that their way is the correct way.
And if you're not doing it their way, then it's, uh, a problem and you need to reevaluate your life. And so if you find something funny that they find depressive or distasteful, then you are then being oppressive and distasteful. And it's absurd because comedy first of all is supposed to make fun of real life and.
hat writer's opinion or like [:Dave: I mean some examples like curb your own enthusiasm. Um, I think we could
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: say Larry David is exactly like that in real life. Exactly like that, in real life. So there are some examples that are kind of true to.
Jake Green: That's fair. But, but that example, it's not fully scripted, so he just kind of bees he is just kind of is himself, which is part of the humor. But also, yeah, it, uh, there's treading in treading on thin ice, I think.
as totally real. just walked [:Jake Green: Wow.
Dave: is just like, you have to be a certain level of a person. Okay, be a level
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: Let's be honest. You gotta be a certain level of an asshole and a comedian to be
Jake Green: Yes you do.
Dave: that off. Like, I feel bad for Larry David's friends. Like, I don't even feel bad for Larry David. I feel bad for his friends that they have to live with
Jake Green: Oh yeah. No, Larry. David's living his best life. Like
Dave: Hmm.
Jake Green: feel bad for him at all. But yeah, dealing with that would be exhausting.
Dave: Oh my
Jake Green: Yeah, I can, I couldn't have a friend like that. It, it would, it would end pretty quickly. Um, but I do find his antics hilarious a lot of times though. It's good for something.
here I think Jerry's a very, [:Jake Green: Fair.
Dave: I'm like the
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: cashier, you know, in Jerry's
Jake Green: Hmm.
Dave: just like, I watched your act. I'm not into it. It's like you're a cashier.
Jake Green: That's fair. Yeah. His comedy's not for everybody, but
Dave: He's
Jake Green: I enjoy his comedy. There are de, there are definitely some comedy stylings that I do not care for, like. And people that I still respect and, and listen to, um, Rogan's, one of them. Like, I don't, I don't care for his comedy, but I'll still listen to his podcast, um, because he interviews.
Dave: the the like. There was somebody on YouTube that did this. They put an episode of Joe Rogan and one of his comedy bits against each other.
Jake Green: Yeah,
Dave: what he talks about in his podcast as his comedy, bit
Jake Green: I need to see that.
rybody has their own method. [:Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: if I could choose to spend $150 to see him perform or my nine $99 Spotify membership so I can listen to it in my car, I think I'm gonna choose my car. about you, Jake? I, I think we're on the same page here.
e one time. Um, it was during: was hilarious. But Joe Rogan [:About life. Like not, not being funny or anything. It was, it was awful. And so I won't go back to one of those again.
Dave: Oh my God. I, um, I don't know if you've heard, uh, I think her name is Jessica Corland or something. She's a comedy. She came out to Dana Beach a few years ago,
Jake Green: Mm-hmm.
Dave: I, at the time, like I was dealing with a work injury make a long story short, like my, my place that I was working for, thank God I don't long longer work there.
ving to work back and forth. [: Dave. I was just like, shit, [:Okay.
Jake Green: no kidding. Yeah. No, that, that's my worst nightmare, man. I live events stress me out, especially live events like that, comedy, like musicals, like on Broadway. I, I'm sitting there the entire time praying they don't mess up because it physically hurts me to watch them get embarrassed and screw up. And so like, I'll go every now and then.
My wife is in musical theater.
Dave: You
Jake Green: Um,
Dave: forward. That's the problem. Like on Netflix, when
Jake Green: exactly.
Dave: can't skip forward. Oh,
Jake Green: you can't. You can't. And so once they screw up and once they embarrass themselves, like that's all I'm thinking about the rest of the time. But it's also, I'm thinking about beforehand and that's all they're gonna be known for in my brain after that performance.
idea of being called on in a [:Dave: first.
Jake Green: that I'm not, not a fan. I don't wanna do it. I don't wanna be there. I don't, don't call on me. You will not. You'll regret it.
Dave: Do you wanna hear the worst one? This was a
Jake Green: Regret, Yes,
Dave: So
Jake Green: do.
Dave: I was in Brooklyn and I went to a comedy show with two friends I have in Brooklyn. We went to, like, there's a bunch of comedians that were coming there to like practice everything that's going on in New York City. They decided to do political jokes like we New Yorkers, we love political jokes, you know, they're, it's part of our culture. He gets on the stage and he starts talking about the whole mayor election thing and everything that's going on. And then he looks at me. 'cause I'm sitting there like on the sideline and he is like, what do you think? And I'm like, I'm a libertarian. And he's like, oh boy, you are dangerous. And I said, yes, I am.
m, okay guys. Well, um, that [:Jake Green: good. Heck yeah, dude. That's awesome. Libertarian, eh? I am also a libertarian. You don't meet? No, I don't meet many of those other than like when I'm at a libertarian meeting.
Dave: My favorite is when you're, when when people call me maga, that.
Jake Green: Oh dude, it's so funny.
Dave: And they're like, how can you
Jake Green: That happens for,
Dave: you be gay? Libertarian like, doesn't that contradict? I'm like, do you even know what Libert and did you have to like give the whole speech? Like, oh, there was a guy in the seventies that came up with the LI and they're like, oh, really?
urself when you're creating, [:Jake Green: Never,
Dave: Now.
Jake Green: two pe two people can't even see everything through one lens.
Dave: no, of course not. Stupid. Like how is that even humanly possible? I mean, scientists can even tell you that the color green that I see is completely different than the color green that you see.
Jake Green: Yeah. Oh, I, I believe that. Yeah.
Dave: Yeah,
ink the same thing about one [:Dave: No, you know, the
Jake Green: Not a chance.
Dave: you know, the worst part is, especially when it comes to art or for example, making music or making even films. This idea of trying to be able to speak to the audiences, you know, to make sure that the audience feels comfortable isn't, the whole idea of films being made is to see through the eyes of the one that is creating this.
Like when you watch a Tim Burton film, you know, it's Tim Burton usually, you know,
Jake Green: Hmm.
Dave: a Quentin Tarantino film kind of the same deal, you know, it's a Quentin Tarantino. Like, isn't that the whole purpose of art is that you could watch and you'd be like, wow, that's, that's that filmmaker.
Oh wow. Like that's his style, that's his creative path. Like that's his unique way of making Half the house has movies you make now you can't even name who made the movie
couldn't tell you aside from [:Dave: JJ Abrams,
Jake Green: Did he do one? I don't even know.
Dave: gotten his foot so deep in the shit already. He's probably been in all of the
Jake Green: I know he ruined Star Wars.
Dave: He's ruined every, he's ruined. Star Trek. God, the man needs a fucking shower, a chemical bath or something. Just get him away from movies. Please.
Jake Green: But he started out, he started out so good with tv. He did so good with TV and then he went
Dave: movies.
Jake Green: ruined so many good movies, although he did do some good movies, like Super Eight, phenomenal movie. Um, but like, he came into these franchises. I mean, to be fair, star Wars was already ruined from the prequel trilogy, so that, that it was already dead.
Oh my God, [:Dave: it burns in your brain a little. Still does.
Jake Green: You know what's really sad about that? I always thought Anakin in that first, in episode one was actually good. Like I thought he was a good little actor, but it basically ruined his career 'cause everybody hated it so much.
Dave: The first one was good. The problem was the last two because I'll be honest, it's like it was a period where a lot of filmmakers, a lot of people like moving very towards CGI
Jake Green: mm-hmm.
Dave: they had to do a revision of the first three movies. 'cause of how bad the CGI was. Okay. So
Jake Green: Yeah,
member when they were on DVD [:Jake Green: yeah,
Dave: just very like, that's a stick.
Jake Green: yeah,
Dave: That's a stick.
Jake Green: yeah,
Dave: a person, that's a stick.
Jake Green: yeah. It was so bad at times, man.
Dave: People don't
Jake Green: It was so.
Dave: they fi, 'cause George Lucas fixed it
Jake Green: That because that, yeah, that's all they remember now. But when they went underwater to George Jar, Banks's City or whatever, I mean, that was cartoonish. It was so bad. It was so bad. Yeah.
Dave: There was no
Jake Green: Um,
Dave: it. Like we were just
Jake Green: no.
Dave: like by that time already you had Shrek, you had Monsters Inc. You had Lord of the Rings. Like
Jake Green: Yeah,
Dave: there wasn't any excuse.
on't know why that happened. [:Dave: Oh my God. Do you feel like you'd be like one of those filmmakers where you'd like jump on a ti like in a time machine and just like go back there and just be like, okay, everything. I like been working like the past 15 years. Here's the manual, what you should have been done. This is all the complaints that's been on the internet for the past 25 years.
What you did here. Goodbye. I'm moving on to the next, next movie that fucked up. Make sure it works.
Jake Green: Oh, that's, I've actually never thought about applying the time machine to movies. Really funny. I pretty much just think about it in regards to sports, but yeah, movies, that's,
Dave: far.
Jake Green: yeah,
Dave: far.
Jake Green: yeah,
Dave: That's the only problem. explaining
Jake Green: yeah.
Dave: eighties executive while they're snorting a whole bunch of cocaine.
Jake Green: Right.
Dave: luck. Good [:Jake Green: Yeah. I don't know. What would be your, like, if you could fix one movie of the last 30 years, like just fix it like With a Snap. Which movie would it? Which movie were you so excited about that they just butchered it so badly that. You would give anything for them to fix it.
Dave: Fifth El, uh, the fifth element.
Jake Green: Oh, that's a good choice.
Dave: I,
Jake Green: people love that movie.
Dave: that movie so much. But the problem is, is that they built, they made the movie way too ahead of its time.
Jake Green: Mm.
Dave: I feel that it definitely can do that. 'cause you had movies like Tron that did that earlier on. You know, you had movies like Matt, uh, mad Max
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: is another great example of it. But they could have given it a little bit more relevance, you know, like Blade Runner did.
ugh it's still set up in the [:Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: which sucks.
Jake Green: Yeah. Yeah. That's a good, that's a good choice. That's a good choice. I think mine would be the matrix two,
Dave: Oh God, I don't want to think about that. Oh, please. Ugh. Ugh. It
Jake Green: because they knocked it so far out of the park with the first one, that the second one was inevitably going to be a letdown, but it was such a letdown that it's, it's still painful, like it still hurts that they did such a poor job on the sec and third and fourth, all of them. Garbage.
ve: is so, okay. When you go [:Jake Green: Yeah,
Dave: Alien three,
Jake Green: yeah, yeah. Barely passes.
Dave: Matrix to Matrix two. I'm like, you go from like a, like a good structured story in the first one to the next one. It's just like. Slow down the brakes you're trying to make like five things happening once. Slow
Jake Green: Yeah,
Dave: slow down.
Jake Green: they just,
Dave: Oh,
hat to your current state of [:And it just diverted so heavily from that and went into way more action. What, like the, the writing on it was bizarre. It half the things they did didn't make any sense. There were massive plot holes. I, it was so disappointing. And even, you know, I, I don't remember what year, how old I was. I think it was in high school when the second one came out.
And like, I was not, you know, I was a kid, so it's not like I, I have 20 years of filmmaking experience now. I was disappointed as a teenager. Yeah.
the same mistakes. You don't [:Jake Green: Yes,
Dave: there's a balance, there's a recipe to this. And obviously like even if you're young, like you learn to mix those things even with your own genre, even the things that you want to be able to make in films.
team activity filmmaking is. [:Um, and so it's, it's not, um, it's not surprising that so much crap gets made and so many bad movies get made because if you have one weak link in that core production team, it's, it's, it's gonna really hurt the movie. Um, you, everybody has to be firing on all cylinders throughout the entire production for it to be a great movie.
n, ju we, we've talked about [: lassics that came out just in:Dave: nineties, okay. I'm not trying to glorify the past, but what you are touching on is really true. In the nineties, you had what were called dream teams. You had where the reigns could be passed over to a team where they collaborated with one another. They knew how to communicate with each other.
They knew their goal was, that they were all in this together. When you're making
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: film or you're making any, and you have people around you, you are all in this as one.
Jake Green: Yeah.
k could be an actor and it's [:Like great example, snow White with Rachel Ziegler, it's a great example. And her and Gal Gadot and them having their fire, I don't know what the hell happened with those two ladies, but they really played the mother and snowy part well for hating each other. Everything else sucked, but that's what, I'm
Jake Green: I, so I did. Yeah. You know, keep, I, I, I, so I didn't see that movie, but the clips that I saw from it,
Dave: don't.
Jake Green: they're, they're great. Like, they're both good actors. I'm not gonna see it at this point. Um,
Dave: they are, they're
Jake Green: but like
Dave: talented.
Jake Green: Rachel Ziglar's a good actor, but I, it was all the offscreen drama that ruined it for her in that regard.
ck for one second. Here's the:Dave: Okay.
. Ace Ventura Pet Detective. [:Natural born killers. Clear and present danger. Four weddings in a funeral
Dave: Wow.
Jake Green: like what a year that was.
Dave: We can get there again, like I think we are, I think we are getting into an era we are. It's gonna start to shift, you know, and I'm not trying to be the negative Nancy. I, I do think that we both are gonna be in alive in a, a time where we are gonna be the mainstream and they're gonna be what we were before. Because people like truth, people like realness, people want real artists. You know what, like the facade is over.
s gonna be a dive, like a, a [: e movie and an AI made movie.[:But the difference is gonna be the AI movie has no soul and isn't going to benefit your life. And I think there's going to come a time when we've, when people have watched so many AI movies that they'll accidentally one day scrolling through their library, come across a movie that was made by a human.
And their world will change forever. And I think there'll be a huge awakening.
Dave: yeah, I, I've, I've thought about this and I want to hear, I want to hear your input on this.
Jake Green: Okay.
stead of using CGI. So still [:We're not going forwards.
Jake Green: So this is what AI should be used for.
Dave: Yeah,
Jake Green: AI is a tool. It is not the product. AI doesn't create. You need to create and use AI as a tool because that's what it is. It needs to be used to improve whatever it is you need help with. It does not mean you say, write me a script and then make me a movie one hour, one and a half hours long with this subject matter in mind.
that's basically giving it, [:So I had a guide design the template. For my, for, you know, each of my thumbnails. And then I create some AI art for each one. Um, so like, it should be used as a tool. I used it the other day to tell me what I'm building a house up here in Montana. I used it the other day to tell me whether or not the beams I was putting in could support the roof that I was putting on it, like
Dave: I,
Jake Green: it as a tool.
Dave: I totally agree with you. I mean, right now, like I'm, I'm training to be a BM BMW technician, and
Jake Green: Nice.
ractice for certain tests or [:Same thing with you. It's like if you're trying to build something, it's like, do you have the, the 10, 15 minutes to sit there? Like, alright, let me, lemme put out the manual. Let me check to see what, what? No, no. Like you're gonna try to figure out like the different thing. Like, oh, okay. I actually, alright, you know what?
Now that I know that I need to get these certain bolts or some of these nails. Got it. Okay. So let me run to the store, get that shit, or maybe get it ordered. It just makes life if you
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: [:Jake Green: Yes.
Dave: Can I say this? Like one of the things, one of my gripes of Joe Rogan is the fact that he brings, brings on a lot of fear moners, especially with AI and a lot of these technologies, and
Jake Green: Okay. Yeah. Fair?
Dave: you're scaring millions of people
Jake Green: Mm
Dave: reason.
Jake Green: mm Yes. So that drives me crazy too. I'm generally a very optimistic person. Like I think the future's bright pretty much no matter what. And, um, I understand how if you find something important and you find legitimacy in something that somebody is saying, but it happens to the, the things that Joe Rogan gets excited about are things that if they go poorly, they go really poorly.
they go really well. And so. [:And so, yeah, I, I, I'm not a huge fan of fearmongering. I like to be prepared for anything, but I generally think most of the time your life, the happiness that you have is based on your attitude. You can choose to be happy about any situation. And so your attitude, um, your perspective, the way you think about the future affects your present and your future.
Dave: It does.
Jake Green: yeah, constantly thinking about fearful things will lead you to do some terrible things.
wn personal thing, but like, [:Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: like I'm in BMW and I'm originally from New York and I'm living down here in Florida.
I said to myself, you know what? I can give my option to relocate back to New York myself that opportunity to actually like, be able to grow and whatever. And you know, there's that fear of like, oh, expensive, oh, dangerous. Oh, there's this, oh, there's that. Oh, you can use fear. To get yourself out of any situation you want in life, right?
Jake Green: Hmm.
t that takes skill. It takes [:Jake Green: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I let fear, so every now and then I have let fear, I mean, as everybody does, but let fear make a decision for me. And, uh, I was talking about this with my wife the other day. We said we went and saw F1. Okay. Um, which I thought was very good. I didn't think it was incredible, but I thought it was extremely good.
had no interest in going to [:Dave: It's
Jake Green: and they offered,
Dave: It's a safe driver.
Jake Green: they offered to put me through stunt driving school and my fear of making a fool outta myself or failing led me to choose to not take them up on that offer and take a different route. And I've pretty much regretted that for. Geez, it's been 20 fricking years. Oh my gosh. Okay. For 20 years I've regretted that, um, to the point where after we saw F1, I was like, babe, I gotta quit everything.
k that through. Think, think [:Dave: no,
Jake Green: that I'm, I'm there, that I'd be that age.
So, um, yeah, I, I would definitely, like, fear just leads you to do really dumb things and not, not see things clearly. Um, I think you miss opportunities, um, because you're not seeing things clearly, and it, it, it. You will regret some of those things just like I regret not going to stunt driving school when I was 18.
years, [:Yeah. No Star Trek. I don't mind. You know, like you find, you find the things that give you the, um, that still give you that passion and drive, even
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: kind of allow that fear to say, you know what, I'm gonna be a little, I'm gonna say it. You can be a little German about it. You know, you'll be a little structured, you know, I'm, I'm gonna take the safe route over here.
I'm not gonna continue this.
I, I, we [:Dave: Have you decided which vehicle you wanna start on? I will tell you, if you do start with BMW, it's gonna be uh
Jake Green: It's not gonna be BMW. My wife loves BMWI. I, uh, I used to be a val. I was a valet for six years, drove every car under the sun, and that was not ever my favorite. Um, at the time Audi was my favorite, but I don't really care for those either. Um, forget what I was looking at the other day. I, I'm generally, I, I like old muscle cars from like the seventies, so something like that would probably be my preference.
Dave: Duster. Yeah. Or a
Jake Green: exactly.
Dave: Rally race. That thing. Oh, yes. You ever saw a Chevy
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: ever saw a Chevy citation?
Jake Green: I don't think I've seen a Chevy citation.
Dave: Google it. Uh,:Jake Green: Oh my gosh,
Dave: Yeah, right. Ah,
Jake Green: that is absurd. Oh, whoa. Some of these are actually cool looking.
Dave: yeah.
Jake Green: is thick sick.
Dave: So I'm just saying you could rally, you know, you throw in a V eight Hemi in that thing.
Jake Green: That's a good one. I like that one.
Dave: Twin Turbo. That beast. Oh my God. Oh, you'd be given citations. You know,
ar. I don't mind it. The, the:Dave: lemme see if I'm, we're looking at the same.
Jake Green: I think we're,
yo, the whole point of rally [:Jake Green: yeah.
Dave: as long as it's got good suspension, a powerful engine, it could be a rust bucket for all you care race that
Jake Green: Yeah. Right. The guy who won, um, I think SECA autocross in Montana last year drives a Mazda Miata.
Dave: This is a Miata,
Jake Green: Yeah. And he won.
Dave: Miata.
Jake Green: He won
Dave: Oh, my mother.
Jake Green: not, not ra, he did auto autocross, not rally. So it's on a track, not not on the dirt.
Dave: some, some of those people, they're so, they're the ones that put the fangs. In their miatas, or they'll put like that, that weird grill that'll look like sharp teeth. I'm like, dude,
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: it still looks weird. It looks like a freaking fish. All right. No matter how many teeth or things you put in there, it's still gonna look freaking weird.
Jake Green: Yeah. That's [:Dave: The rally racing is a good avenue. I mean, you know, you got rough terrain gonna
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: be testing everything
e Impreza, WRX that from like:Dave: See
Jake Green: That's a fun one.
Dave: car guys. We just, I can't shut up with this. I, I can literally, like, okay with
Jake Green: Yeah,
Dave: and the whole like. NASCAR and I'm more of like a ra. I've always been like a rally racing. I love to just see those cars flip, you know, especially in like rural parts of like Germany and Vienna, like not Vienna, like Austria, and they're just like going around corners.
p out of these old launches, [:Jake Green: man.
Dave: have like 400 horsepower
Jake Green: It's tough if people do to some of these cars is insane.
Dave: and it's smaller than a Mini Cooper. It's smaller
Jake Green: It's
Dave: Mini
Jake Green: funny.
Dave: Oh. Just for
Jake Green: I love that.
Dave: Oh.
Jake Green: I love that. Yeah. One of my, uh, I, for a long time I wanted a mini Cooper, um, specifically because of the Italian job. I was like, they soup those cars up. Um, those little minis up in that movie and I was like, oh, that looks like so much fun.
Dave: I don't recommend that doing that with a modern mini, but if you find an older
Jake Green: No.
Dave: no.
Jake Green: Yes.
Dave: I have to do a
Jake Green: I think there's a older,
Dave: bro. A battery replacement on a mini is like an hour.
Jake Green: I It's the same crap, like isn't it very sim isn't it? BMW owns many, right?
Dave: They've owned
Jake Green: Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense.
Dave: 'cause the
Jake Green: That checks out.
Dave: don't make good cars. [:Jake Green: No,
Dave: cars.
Jake Green: no, no. They have not. They, they break all the time. Their cars are trashed. Even though some of them are very pretty, um, they don't work.
Dave: No. Especially the Aston Martins, which are basically just leak jobs waiting to happen. You know,
Jake Green: Yeah. But they're so pretty. They're
Dave: so
Jake Green: so pretty. I
Dave: car brands left that still makes their cars by hand. Not their SUVI hate when people, not their SUVs, fuck their SUVs.
Jake Green: don't even think about their SUVs. Who, who's thinking about the Aston Martin? SUV? Who cares?
Dave: Aston Martin, like a
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: seven, you know, like, oh, one of those.
Jake Green: Yeah. Yes. Um, British do make, uh, good motorcycles though. Let's try s Man, I freaking loved it.
Dave: least they're good at
Jake Green: I used to have one. Yeah.
Dave: They're terrible at making cars, but great at motorcycles.
Jake Green: [:Dave: always, gray and foggy. You know, like, great place for a motorcycle, let me tell you.
Jake Green: Oh yeah. Those poor people.
Dave: It's
Jake Green: It's so, it's so foggy and so yeah, so overcast all the time. Rainy.
Dave: They have
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: than churches. Okay. They have more bars than churches. Like I didn't believe this until I have a friend out in Manchester and I went there and we were just walking down just the street. There
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: 14 bars
Jake Green: Geez.
Dave: on one
Jake Green: Goodness.
Dave: street, like one like between like the 14 they were
Jake Green: Wow.
Dave: to each other in line.
So you could be one of those bloody blokes. Go in there, swig a beer next door, swig a beer next door, swig. Like you could just have your bar crawl on one street.
probably where the pub crawl [:Dave: Is
Jake Green: because it's so easy to do. So
Dave: Oh my God. It's so funny.
Jake Green: that makes a whole lot of sense now. Yeah, I bet that's where, 'cause I went on a, I went on a pub crawl in Scotland. It was freaking awesome. Free whiskey shot every bar you went to. It's great.
Dave: tastes different there
Jake Green: Um,
Dave: what I've heard.
Jake Green: oh dude, the scotch in Scotland is so, it's just like the Guinness in Ireland like tastes different in a extremely good way.
Dave: Yeah, that
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: always. Okay. So I've had Guinness in Europe and it's weird 'cause like Guinness reminds me of like a black coffee. I like black
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: And here in the States it reminds me of like, like Nestle's dark chocolate. I don't know of any other way of explaining it, but like that's what it reminds me of.
or you get a chocolate note. [:Jake Green: Hmm.
Dave: one tastes like the other, and it's like. They changed their formula. That's what it is. They changed their formula for like a quote unquote American taste.
Jake Green: Uh, from what I remember, they had to put some type of extra preservative in it or something 'cause, uh, of shipping it all the way over here and how long it takes to get to the actual places. I don't remember, this was years ago. I went to their brewery, so they said, why? But I don't really remember why.
Dave: same thing with chocolate. We have the same thing. We add, um, a chemical into chocolate only here
Jake Green: Hmm.
Dave: States. So a lot of
Jake Green: Oh.
Dave: when you go to Europe, chocolate tastes completely different.
Jake Green: Interesting. I'm not a huge chocolate person, so I don't really remember that.
completely different culture [:Jake Green: Mm-hmm.
Dave: they can provide like clips or they can help, for example, building music or sometimes add elements to our pieces or whatever. So you could literally have this, I just thought about, you could literally have European influence in your own art for a fraction of the cost than what it used to cost like a decade ago.
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: Isn't
Jake Green: Yeah, like nothing. Dude, it's wild. Have you heard of, uh, you ever heard of the rapper Connor Price?
Dave: with a
. He's, [:And he made a whole album called Spin the Globe, and it was in Incred, like he found some of the coolest, no name artists in these places without ever leaving his home. Um, they would record their end. He would record his end. He'd, his producer would mix 'em together and it would be a thing of beauty. Um, yeah.
Incredible.
Dave: Incredible
Jake Green: It's so cool. Yeah.
de is having a little bit of [:And then as we got older and got into our adulthood, more and more of this emerges. And guess what? Like the past five or six years it's been emerging couple of months. Every couple of
Jake Green: Yeah. Yeah.
Dave: I don't know about you, but I don't even know what it's gonna look like in five years.
not gonna be other cultures. [:We're all going to see everybody's style, everybody's news, everybody's everything. And we're not all going to consciously make the decision to be alike, but eventually over time. If the world is one big community, which it has almost been made that by the internet, then eventually you have to think that there's gonna be a large percentage of people that all act and think very similarly.
Dave: I think in the end of
Jake Green: I,
Dave: regardless of where you are on this planet, we all want very similar things.
Jake Green: yeah.
nto somebody from Bangladesh [:Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: love and they want to be able to build a
Jake Green: Yep.
Dave: They want to be around people that they can connect with and build connections with along. It's just a country, you know, just, it happens to be somebody's born there instead of being born, let, let's just say like Montana or even New York or even Canada. Hope we
Jake Green: Yeah.
Dave: I really
Jake Green: On the other hand, the internet could probably just get to the point where everybody hates each other 'cause no one will listen to anything so that, that could go that direction too.
ently like, have all of your [:Jake Green: Jake, Jake Green is the Jake Green on all social platforms. Um, my company is a peaceful C network, um, and we're a streaming platform, um, that the, we have a. Nine podcasts on there and three docu, two documentaries, a short film and with more, uh, documentaries and feature films coming, um, that we're acquiring.
Um, and yeah, our, our biggest show is called The Cascade Effect. It's a documentary series slash podcast about a cop killing a man in cold blood on his own property.
Dave: the, you do you post like promos on social media for these?
Jake Green: Yeah. Yeah, I do.
I saw like a promo for this. [:Jake Green: Nice. Nice. Yeah, that, that's been our biggest show so far. Oddly enough. I don't know why, but Montanans love Facebook still, which I dig. It's, it's, it's wild to, we just moved here. We bought land five years ago and moved up here this year. Um. But we're, it's huge on Facebook and it's slight, it's, it gets some views on YouTube, rumble, Twitter, all that stuff, but like the ma people talk about it on Facebook and watch it on Facebook more than anything else, which is brand new to me.
I didn't know that was still a thing. So I have to, I'm figuring out how to market it for Facebook now.
Dave: There's too many social media platforms. I'm telling you,
Jake Green: Yeah,
Dave: especially as a podcaster, like they add one more into the roster. I'm telling you right now, they better have an AI where I can just throw the shit in there and they do like, tired.
Jake Green: yeah.
Dave: know? It's
Jake Green: Yes,
Dave: I gotta [:Jake Green: dude. It's exhausting. It's exhausting. Yeah. And you have to type the same thing every die gum time, and then just remember how to tweak it slightly for that platform so that a few more people get to see it. And it's just like, I, it's late. I need to go to bed. This is dumb.
Dave: literally. It literally is that late. Um, what is, uh, what is your social media handles in your website? I'm gonna put the links and everything in the description, regardless.
Jake Green: Yeah, so, um, peaceful C Productions is, um, on X and Instagram. And then, um, my website is peaceful c.network. So www peaceful C network.
Dave: Easy peasy, lemon squeezing. Very easy to
Jake Green: Yeah. Yeah, very easy. Try to make it as easy as possible considering how many billions of things are out there these days.
e coming on and spending the [:Jake Green: Heck yeah.
Dave: I feel like the more conversations that we have in regards to where filmmaking is going, how filmmaking is made, and just being able to realize, like, I know the struggle is hard, but if you stay genuine, you stay yourself. People notice.
Jake Green: They do. I completely agree and I appreciate you chatting with me, man. This has been fun. I've really enjoyed it.
Dave: of course, man. My pleasure. Well listen to anybody out there. If you wanna check out more of the podcast, you can find us at Lost in the Groove Pod uh, run Rumble and Substack. That's the four places that I gotta fucking publish all the time.
Jake Green: Nice.
Dave: please, please. uh, all honestly, Jake, thank you so much for coming on and for all you motherfuckers out there, we will catch you on the next one. Alright, peace out.
