#255 - Interview with author Chancellor Jackson

trying to redefine myself because I identified as a student athlete and as a football player for so long. So once that finally came to the end, it was like, okay, it was a rude awakening, but also I saw it as an opportunity at the same time to just to reinvent myself and, you know what I'm saying, just create a new persona and finding just different passions and I just really get to learn myself more, honestly. So it really started then. And it's that rabbit hole took me to China, getting locked up out there, coming back to America. So really just put my foot in a bunch of different, you know what I'm saying, woods.

I'm just curious, because it says 14 days. But you were there, you were in China for longer than that? Or you were literally just there for 14 days?

I lived in China for six months. I was supposed to do a year, but I got locked up halfway through. So that's what cut the time short.

How did that happen?

Pretty much, one day, police just pulled up to my apartment randomly. and drug testing me right there on the spot. That's

insane. Yeah.

And I had just gotten done smoking prior to them knocking on the door. So I knew I was going to fail the drug test. Of course. Yeah. So yeah, once I failed that, it was a wrap after that. And yeah, I'm here to tell you I did 14 days. Like, once the cuffs started on me, nothing was explained to me as far as what's going to happen next. I'm eventually taken to the J-Wyme house. I'm locked up 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 15 minutes in one cell, nine with the beds, three soups a day. And all I had was one plastic bowl and one plastic spoon. And that's like I said, nothing was explained to me as far as how this process is going to work, how long I'm going to be here. Nobody knows I'm here. And right now I'm sitting in a cell with 14 other Chinese men, none of which I can talk to. So it really ain't looking too good right about now. But eventually one day, my name finally gets called to leave. And it just so happened to be on day 14.

Like first off, you know prison is one thing, you know what I mean, but when you in a prison in China It's China Different level like they don't give a shit about you living or dying like it's a freaking communist country

Yeah It was... They're not saying there's no why in China. You know, here in America, we always need an explanation of why we gotta do something. Nah, over there, what they say, you just do. There's no back and forth. It's crazy.

No, and you know what? I think it's kind of wild, right? Because you already had kind of like an athletic... experience before all this shit happened. And it's kind of weird, the whole thing of training is this idea of discipline, not asking the questions, just doing. You literally get thrust in the situation of don't ask, just do.

Yeah, exactly. It's a great comparison too. It's just like that in football, especially college football. So yeah, you hit the nail right on the head with that one.

Well, I mean, these days they actually get paid, you know, back

in the day. Oh yeah, it's different now. For sure, for sure. But still, they hold them to more of a standard nowadays, though, since they are paying them. Now they treat them like it's basically semi-pro, for real, for real. late for class okay we're gonna cut some of your check you know you don't maintain a certain gpa you miss a meeting it's all just point different reasons they can take no money from you so yeah they make they treat it like a real business now

there's such a funny way of putting it you know because they're so long like especially when you're dealing with athletics or you're dealing with like martial arts these kind of things, like, you know, requires, like, physical strength and fitness, discipline and exercise and all these things. Like, you're putting your all into this. You know, some people just do it for, like, the flex, but, like, real people do it, like, because they love it. Like, it's an art that they, like, they want to perfect and they want to get better at. And it's hilarious in how, like, those skills can come in so handy.

Mm-hmm. Let it

roll.

So what the hell happened to you after China?

So once I got back to America, it was basically like I was at Square One all over again. I was able to find an opportunity and I pretty much, you know what I'm saying, blew that up. So now it's like, okay, what's next, man? And I had no clue what it was that I was going to do next. But I know I can continue to expand and explore the education field. That was the reason I went to China. I was teaching English to kids out there. So since I already got that experience, especially teaching in China, I'm like, that's on the resume. That's going to open up some opportunities for schools. So I was like, I got to wait till school start back. It's the school year from the end. I'll wait for that. I was just getting back to just living in America.

just trying to see, you know what I'm saying, just doing a bunch of different things out and about, working out a lot, doing a lot more exploring within the city, a lot more trying different hobbies, like modeling and stuff like that, just being more creative. In order

to survive, I mean, listen, you know, we're just talking, but most people don't understand what it is to like be in prison. You know? That wrecks you. You know, you come out of there and you're like, shit, like what the hell am I supposed to do now? You

know, to be able

to, like, get in that mindset, you're like, okay, like, let me figure out other stuff that I can do, like, in order for me to be able to survive now. That, it's not easy. It takes skill and a lot of grit in order to get there, to be honest.

For sure. We already at the bottom. We ain't got no place to go but up from here. So, shit, it can't get no worse than this. For real, for real. No place to go but up. That's just how I look at things. I always had a positive mindset and outlook on life. So even when I was locked up in China, I'm still You know what I'm saying? Maintaining positives. And just trying to keep my head up throughout the entire process.

Sometimes you have to.

Yeah. I mean, everything we go through is preparation for what's in store, as well as defining who we are.

Yeah. Which, by the way, doesn't come easy. You know, a lot of the times, You gotta get hit to the curb, right? You know, get your ass whooped a few times to like, finally for you to be like, shaken up and be like, hey,

you know,

don't think so low of yourself. Like, don't think like you can't accomplish things just because you've been told you can't, or, you know, you failed in certain places. Like, using that as an excuse of giving up and not being like your true self, I feel like is, you know, self-sacrifice. Like, what's the point of living to begin with?

Yeah, correct. Find your purpose or you're wasting air. Yeah, so. I ended up started writing Fortunate Exhibition that summer once my friend gave me the idea. And then I also fell into culture football that summer as well. So it was just crazy how everything just happened that summer. I just, it just stumbled upon it. You know what I'm saying? Just the opportunity presented itself.

You don't

forget that. Yeah, I'm saying the opportunity presented themselves. And I just took them, took them. Because I had, at that point, I ain't got nothing else going on. I ain't got nothing else to lose.

No, and it's like something people forget. I think it's really cool that you did this, especially when you have a traumatic event that happens to you. You know, being able to get down on a piece of paper. Sometimes for some people, maybe it's making a song, you know, or maybe like drawing something or whatever it may be, but like not getting it out and just like putting it in its place. You know, I had this with a friend of mine where she had a traumatic experience years ago. And instead of writing it down, it became just a haunting memory. And then she had a recent prison experience and decided to write a book about it. And we were talking about how she feels so much better about this experience compared to the one that was years before, because she was able to be able to just sit there and just write it, you know?

Yeah. No, it's definitely therapeutic, for sure, for sure. And I was like, maybe thinking, OK, I see why people journal or have diaries and stuff like that, why we saw it on TV. But we've gotten away from that so much as a society. I'm like, some people still write stuff down. But I'm like, that's a select few of people that still do that.

Yeah, some people don't even know how to write.

Bro,

I'm in vocational school and the amount of guys in my class that like, I look at their page and I'm like, yo, you're, you're freaking 20 years old. Why do you write like a three-year-old? You know, like capitals, you know, like just get like squiggles. I'm like, you not know how to write. Do you need me to teach you the ABCs right

now?

I

can only imagine. You're not really required to write anything nowadays. It's

not

needed. Even a signature. Most people don't even got a signature.

Oh my god. How? Like, how do you sign documents? Just squiggle? It's like, bro, do you want to get your stuff sold on the black market? Because you're doing a great job getting there.

Mm-hmm. You just put the initials. Keep them moving.

No, you know what? Like, you definitely have an experience, and you definitely have a story. Like, obviously, people are going to be like, You know, like, I haven't had it as hard as, you know, this, like, for example, you. But it's what builds your character. It's not necessarily, like, the struggles and things that you've been through. It's, like, what you've done with it, you know? Factual. Factual. Do you feel pretty proud of, like, what you've done so far with it up until this point?

th,: 2019

Perfect timing.

Man, it was just crazy, because one is like, OK, damn, I done created something. I done put it out into the universe. And to see that type of feedback, I was like, damn. I knew it was going to be a good story. And I put a lot of energy and effort into it, especially for the details. But yeah, it was just like, damn, to see all your hard work, you know what I'm saying, pay off. And it was 10 times full, so it was a high of a lifetime, for sure, for sure. And still, 14 Days in Beijing is like the bread and butter of my catalog. That's the book that gets talked about the most, just because. No, but

like, you do also have other things that you have worked on. Obviously, this is a big thing of yours, but... I mean, still, credits do what credits do as an author, right? It's not just one thing that you've done, it's all of the things that you've put your blood, sweat, and tears into.

Yeah, I mean, they all just been ideas, honestly. Even with the romance novels, the same friend, DeMarco, that was telling that, put the bug in my ear to write 14 Days, he was like, hey, bro, you need to write the romance novels next. I was like, hell nah, bro. I ain't even in his place to do all of that, tap back into it. Like you said, we just suppress shit and then just bury it and don't want to address it. So I'm like, I ain't even trying to go back and do all those memories and emotions. Nah, I'm good. But it wasn't until a few, like quite a few months later, I was just doing market research, just more studying and learning about self-publishing in the game and stuff. And they was talking about the best-selling genres. And the number one best-selling genre was romance. I was like, oh shit, I don't mean number one. Plenty of different genres, but I ain't never touched romance. So I know it's a female-dominated field, too. So I'm like, OK, that's a challenge right there.

So that's what really inspired me. I'm like, OK, that's the number one selling genre? You

done balls, bro.

It's a joke.

Because I was like, I got the material. I was just, you know what I'm saying, just didn't want to do anything with it. But once I saw that, I was like, OK, man. So yeah, did that. down the line, three years passed before I wrote the next book. And that was The Power of Becoming that just dropped in April. And that's my self-help book. So that was great. I'm just jumped to a whole nother different genre. So it's like, yeah, I'm just. I've got a new book dropping on the 21st of this month, and it's pretty much a guide, guiding people through the writing and publishing process. And it's going to be like a very quick, short read, like 12, 10 to 15 pages, nothing crazy. Very solid, straight to the point, touching on key points and giving great tips on how to get through the process. And that's titled Listen, acronym, L-I-S-T-E-N. So, yeah, man, it's been a journey. So I'm pretty sure more books is gonna come.

my publishing company back in: 2021

So that's why I started to create a service and packages and courses behind just you know saying that process um because it shocked me to see how many people there were out here like that I always had aspirations of writing and publishing the book or it's like these long like dream that's like yeah for me bro it was just an idea I was giving it you know I'm saying I just went crazy with it so but it's a lot simpler than people think too you know what i'm saying people think it's this far-fetched esoteric god-like ability that only the special among us will ever be able to experience like bro that's not the case at all but the internet and technology has changed the game so it's very feasible and it's really don't you really don't even need no money for real, for real. You can publish a book, goddamn, for zero dollars. So it's a lot simpler than people think. So that's why I was like, OK, I'm going to take this serious. And I've worked with people.

I've helped two people not only publish their first book, but their first books were number one bestsellers as well. And one of them was a 16-year-old girl at the time when she published her book. So yeah, it was a big shout out to Tanita Sadler, big shout out to Anthony McKinnon.

Damn. I mean, come on, man. That's, whoa.

You know? That's what I'm saying. And all they're doing is telling their stories.

But it's hard, like, you know, the thing is, like, you're not sugarcoating it. Like, truth be told, it's hard-ass work. It's not just people think, like, okay, I paid for a course. I mean, all my problems are solved. Yeah, that's not, it's not how the world works. It's like you are offering like your expertise, your creativity, your story, your, you know, what inspires you and what your passions are. Like, you know, you're not a miracle maker. You're, you're giving valuable tools to a person then as the person, like you gotta then use the tools for yourself. You know, it's like, You can get caught up in that bullshit very quickly. It's like, yeah, I got a plan. I got the shit. I'm going to make six figures. I'm like, OK, but are you actually going to put in the effort, time, and energy, figure out the things that are working for you, the things that are not? You see what I mean? There's all other elements that come to it.

That's what be getting a lot of folks right there. Hey, you know what I'm saying? If he's sounding good, like you said, it's time to apply that work. He's like, oh, OK. Now I don't know about this. No. Nah. But the biggest, I'd say the biggest phases of the writing production process is one, just the writing process, the writing itself, like actually getting the story written, getting it down, getting it edited and perfected to the way that you want it to be. That's one of the biggest workloads of just least like the writing part. Now when it comes to publishing, that shit is easy. That is a breeze. That doesn't take no time at all. The next workload is marketing on the back end.

Marking

and the writing process. They're the two biggest workloads of the entire process, but everything else is a breeze and it's fun.

And by the way, it's okay, you know, people get this idea like, oh, you got to write for the trends. You know, I'm like, you could definitely make stories that are more niche, you know, even things

that people maybe are

not like familiar with anymore. They're still an audience. You pointed out something that's really great. It's like, hey, you could write a great story. It's fine. You just got to find the right people to market. It's like, if yours is more geared towards nerd and geeks that are into FaZe and all that bullshit, then you should be going in that direction. Go to those festivals and stuff, and that's where those people are going to want to read this kind of

stuff. Oh, me

first.

Yeah. Like you said, niche. The more niche, the better, honestly. That's a little gem I can give to the people as far as like topping the charts quickly and fastly and like not require as much of a workload, man. The more niche, the better. You know what I'm saying? Define it with less. Oh,

baby. Define it with less. Again, I feel like When you're a storyteller, you know, in the case of being an author, sometimes you kind of get yourself caught up in this idea, especially, like, in your case, right, where you're taking, like, a true story, and then you're, like, implementing it into a book, where, you know, you kind of get caught up in the moment instead of just enjoying the experience. You know,

it's like

not everything has to be perfect. You know, like you could run into like, oh shit, I could have added this about this character, but like now I'm like 200 pages and it's like, it's fine. There's a reason why it's called editing.

Yeah. That's why I be trying to tell people like, don't try to edit as you're writing bro, just write. Like jot a little note down and just keep going. Keep going. You know what I'm saying? Get it all down. Then once you get it all down, Go back to the very beginning. And now you go back and just make those notes or those corrections or those fine tunes that you noted as you went through it the first time. Like it's just trying to get it down. That's what speed up the process. You trying to clean up as you go? Man, that's going to take, that's going to make the writing process so much longer. It's still going to be a process regardless, you feel more accomplished. Like, okay, at least I got the story written now. It's like, I ain't got to go back and attack the entire thing. I'm going to those specific bullet points that I pointed out.

You

know, it's funny you mentioned that, right? Cause like you have, like, I get this every single time, especially like when I'm listening to like a Cypress Hill or like a Mobb Deep song. where I'm listening to the lyrics really heavily, and it sounds very structured. As an artist to an artist, I could hear that these lyrics were painstakingly literally stitched together to make this... And that didn't happen at the very beginning. Okay. You know, like original demo was like, nah, I guarantee you, that's not the shit you're hearing. But like that final, like everything's coming together and all those pieces are, it's just like, okay. I understand why. Like when you start from like the beginning to the end, you're like, okay, I understand why each of these pieces are in here.

Yeah. Bro,

that's powerful, man. That's

Yeah. Attention to detail. I

mean, you could you could literally write about anything, but, you know, the thing is, like, it comes down to it's like, it's got to have a beating heart, you know, like not physically, but it's got to have like some kind of beating heart in

any

story, because if you just make a soulless story.

Oh, yeah, it ain't going to be no good for you. Yeah. It's not only do what you want it to do.

I sometimes question some of the New York Times bestsellers, to be honest with you.

You know, I'm like... I feel like that's... I mean, it's their title, New York Times bestsellers, so it's like they can... do what they want to.

You know what, though? Like, I kind of like that kind of publishing process kind of pisses me off, you know, because sometimes like, you know, like the language or like it's too raw or it's too like avant garde or whatever. I'm like. What's so bad about that? You know, why does

it

have to be so perfect? You know, why

can't it

be a little or something,

something. And that's what was crazy. Once I learned about self-publishing, I was like, OK, yeah, this is the route I'm going to go. And then I had the success I had. And I was like, OK, if I'm having success going independent, let me see what what some of the major publishing companies may think, you know what I'm saying? And I submitted my stuff to quite a few of them, big ones, medium ones, small, like the whole nine, just to get it to a larger market. And all of them, like, turned me down. It was crazy. I was like, I already have success on my own. And it's like, now I'm trying to, you know what I'm saying, just bring it to y'all, see if we can work something out, make a deal to take this shit even further. And y'all was like, yeah, everybody like,

nah,

I'm all right, shit, fuck y'all then. I'ma keep doing what I've been doing.

Listen, you know what? It's crazy because you're dealing with two different worlds, right?

You

got the money and the numbers people, and then you got the passion and the artist people. Sometimes you don't always get that bridge meshed well together. Not all artists can think and like marketing and numbers and that shit. That's the thing, though. It's like, if you could get that group of people to come on and understand the artist to a certain level of degree, we get some really incredible stuff. I'm not going to lie. One example I can think of in the recent time, I know it's a Quentin Tarantino film, but The Joker.

Yeah.

Bro, like, I think that's one of the, my personal opinion, one of the greatest Joker movies. ever made in history. Like,

flat out.

Like, the story, the character, like, the realistic... You see, that's what I mean by, like, noir and gritty. Like, it kind of adds realistic stuff in there, kind of explains why he laughs for Susie, like, oh, okay, so there's actually, like, a medical... You see, like, that shit, that shit's gold, because you're taking something that's so fake, And making

it

so real.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, he does a great job with what he do. For sure, for sure. And that's one of my big goals, too. Just to turn 14 Days in Beijing into some type of film, or short film, or series, or documentary. I'd love to turn it into an anime. I think that would be really dope.

That would be so funny. There's so many options of studios that could make that. Any options of what kind of anime you'd be making? Would it be more Korean? Would it be more Japanese?

Since it's taking place in China, I feel like that would be fitting. I don't know if China has its own anime.

I'm

pretty sure it does.

It should have. Actually, now you're making me curious. I wanna...

You know what I

mean? Is there a Chinese anime? Are we uncovering something right now? Because this...

I'm not even sure myself. But, yeah, there's definitely

going to be a Chinese anime.

That would be kind of cool, right? Because it is a story that is taking place in

China.

No.

I already got the audio recorded. I got the audio already recorded too.

Bro, it's a real thing. It's called... Dunhao? Oh my god, this is hilarious. This is actually real. So there is Chinese anime. It's a legit thing.

Word. This

is so funny. It's mostly video games.

Okay.

That's what I'm gathering from here.

That'd be hard too. Fortune Days in Beijing video game. Bro, the

way they draw them ladies in this shit.

Oh

my god. Okay. Damn, man. That's actually not a bad fucking, you see what I mean? Like that, that right there is kind of like genius. It's like, you could take something that's so personal and like relates

to

you. And like, even though you've built so many other things out of that, and then to like, not only like immerse into that culture, but then kind of have it like anime. I

think.

And those scenes, bro, you can't do that in real life. You know? That still frame of those prison people coming over to you and speaking Chinese, and there's a still of you or something. You know, sitting on the bed, it's still a still, and the lights are kind of changing, and you can hear some screaming in Chinese. I raise my eyes wide open.

You know what

I mean? Oh, my God, man. There's

so

many directions this can go.

Yeah, thanks. No

bullshit. You've been thinking about this for a while, haven't you?

Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. I'm going to meet the right individual. For sure, for sure.

You got to.

Yeah, because like I said, all we need is just the visuals. I have the audio, because I got the audio book for Forced Inhibition. I already have the audio for it, shit. So it is nine.

And people today like it's weird. Movies have kind of turned into long TV series. So a lot of TV shows today will be like an hour or

like

an hour and 30 minutes per episode. And then like seasons will be just 10 episodes. So. In reality, I mean, it's really a movie, you know, it's not really a TV show because it's continuous, you know, like one of the things of like cinematography and film, if something's generally continuous, it's usually one long story. So. That's kind of dope because you can kind of do that shit with anime. People do kind of love that stuff where it's just a long 45 or 60 minute episode and then BAM! The next episode is like that and you can have the whole chapter just be one freaking season or chapter 1 and chapter 2.

Oh, yeah. Okay. I see what you're saying. Really trap it up. That's what I'm saying, man.

I

think

you also have this kind of mind. You don't just think about one thing. You think of all the different things you can do with that one thing.

Am I wrong? Like I said, trap it up, man. Each and every way. That's the only thing I'm missing is the visual. I got audio. I got the textual. So like actual visual, that'll be, that'll be game changing. Then look, I'd have like a little whole premiere type shit to market it or just promote it. That'd be how everybody get fly with suits on and

we go

watch it. You know what I'm saying? At least like episode one or something like that. That'd be dope.

It really is. I mean, like, It's strange when you see it for what it is and not what it isn't. You know, a lot of the time you can get yourself blindsided. You know, a lot of times people can get really cocky, you know, and really think like, you know, I've made it to the top. But being able to just, you know, focus on like the little things and the successes that we get along the way. and the improvements and things that we can do. Like, man, I think that's the most successful thing you can do as an artist, you know, focusing on all of the, you know, like it's nice to have a Rolls Royce. Is that really what makes you a successful artist? No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Bro, they could be like $150,000. Yeah, yeah. I

mean, that's just because they appreciate how gold has been growing tremendously over the past few years, just because of plenty of reasons.

Just wait until they find that asteroid that's

just filled with

fucking gold. Give them five or six years, they find that one, they're like, oh shit, we got more gold than we need. And then the shit just drops. I may be 80 now when that happens, but let me tell you, I'll be laughing my ass.

Oh, shit. They're probably definitely have technology by then. Man, we doing all this? Man, ain't no telling when something like we get that old. What part of Florida are you in?

I live currently in Boca, but I'm originally from New York. OK.

OK, for sure. Boca Raton.

Yeah, Mouthrat, very fitting name for the place.

South Florida. Yeah, I went to college in Florida, so that's where I was from, yeah. Where are you based

out of?

I'm in Atlanta, from Atlanta, born and raised. Hey, you're from

Georgia.

Love it. Georgia boy.

Makes hard-working people.

Yes, Lord. Yes, Lord. In Atlanta, Black Hollywood, so we produce entrepreneurs.

Yeah. And the undergrounds. I mean, the music underground scene in Atlanta is one of the largest in the country.

The movie scene is crazy in Atlanta now. We're running that game. At least we got a household name to come to that, too. Films and the film industry, for sure. Music, of course. It's

weird, right? Because Especially years ago, when you talk about the underground scene, especially indie artists, it was a lot more low-key. These were people that were scraping by and figuring out different ways to keep everybody afloat. These days... It's a whole different level, man. Like, you got these people that are now running the show. To the point, I have somebody on the podcast that's from Canada that's in the, he's an indie filmmaker. And they're beginning requests from people in Europe that come out to do shoots. So,

it's like... Yeah, that was another idea that popped in my head. Film festivals, submitting them. Yeah. Great way to market it too. There's,

there's so many options these days. And like, it's literally because of what we have available to our own fingertips. You know, if I think that places like Atlanta is stronger and more independent than it ever has because of this, and it's just going to continue

more and more. Like I said, Nipsey said best man, this technology has empowered everybody. It's like, Back in the day when everybody's learning about the gold and trying to get out west to get in on the gold, this is what the internet, this is the time we in right now with this internet. It can be as big as you want to make it and go as far as you want to take it. People's lives have changed tremendously just because of the internet. We've witnessed it for decades now. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, hey man, get with it or you're going to get left behind.

Now, and like, there's also this idea of, you know, as technology progresses, you know, people become more and more lazy and more relying on technology such as like AI. And I feel like there's truth to that, but I feel like also AI can give artists a really powerful tool. You know, you don't have to use it to like literally create your music, but you can use it as a tool to enhance your music

or figure out,

figure out different ways of like i'd be straight up and i was like i'm in the automotive industry and one thing that you realize real quick if you don't like electrical or electronics you're in the wrong industry because i'm coming and i'm gonna take in your job i don't

care

no

thanks i got an ev so

yeah you know what i'm saying like it's the same thing with you too it's like if you have more publication houses or publishers that are under that New York Times marker bullshit crap. Like, they're gonna sink if they can continue this bullshit rabbit hole. Like, you've got to progress with the times. That's how you

survive. facts and people talk shit all they want to but talk straight out of their ass it's cats younger than us that's really hip to this AI stuff and creating has created companies created all different types of stuff like really making moves with this AI like man yeah but yeah it's happening for sure for sure

yeah and it's It's ever so growing, you know, and I think that if you are able to utilize it as a tool, the same way that the internet has allowed artists to be more free and more independent, you know, and be able to connect more than anybody has ever been had before.

Yeah.

There are always pros, like, there's always pros and cons to things, right? Like,

even

going down to, like, writing a book, you know, you have to first write the manuscript. You got to write your draft and then you go back from the very beginning and you do all that editing and stuff. If life was perfect and it had none of these things, I don't think you would exist. I don't think any of your writing would exist. I don't think I'd be talking to any artist. It wouldn't be a thing. Why would anybody want to do it if the world was perfect? What's the

purpose? The world was perfect. It's like, damn, what would be a perfect world? What would one define that?

No poverty.

So pretty much a place where you ain't got to go to, ain't no such thing as having to work to live. Like you ain't got to work for nine to five to pay bills. No, none of that.

None of that.

Just

live your life. You know, you could stay at home.

What would people do?

Nothing.

What would people do? Why would

anybody be motivated? Do you see what I mean? It's like, there'd be no motivation to do anything because you tell somebody, let's do something. Why? I have tomorrow.

Or it will be some people like that. It's also be some people that just enjoy, like just, yeah, we have no agenda. Like we just, whatever we can wake up, whatever we do today, that's what we do today.

And

then go with the flow or make sure we got,

I

mean, people be at that, growing their own. A lot of people have to have farms then. Like it wouldn't be like, the property that we see in current times. I don't see it being like that. It couldn't be like that.

We may reach a point where we integrate with these technologies like AGI. And it's not that in our lifetimes humans get replaced, the fact that we become more integrated. So the people that are more motivated and have drive are able to utilize those skills even though there's a lot less to do. instead of just sitting around and using it to be lazy because let's be honest like there's plenty of tick bro the amount of commercials i frequently see are buying these ovens that you buy meals to put the okay you're paying a company eight hundred dollars to give you an oven so that you can give them another 150 a month to send you meals that you could have cooked yourself

That

shit is real, you know, like, not everybody's gonna sign up for it. But like you said, like, people that like, yeah, like, they'll take the easy route. If it's available, they're gonna do it. Regardless.

I mean, especially in terms of, yeah, because you freeing up time. I was just like, one less thing you got to do or commit time to so you get that time back

to.

devote to something else. There's just a battle we all face with, you know what I'm saying? The matrix we live in, time, you know what I'm saying? Having to work and all these other responsibilities and still devote time to physical health and relationships and goals and you know what I'm saying? Stuff like that.

Yeah. And I mean, relationships is like, damn. It's like nobody knows how to talk to people no more,

you

know? You know, it's amazing how you can have so much change and the whole world can be completely different. But yet you have people such as myself and such as yourself where You still try to do whatever you can to continue that, like, fire inside of you, regardless. It's like, no matter, no matter what, like, it's going to keep on burning and I'm going to keep on chugging. You know, it feels like nobody wants to do that anymore. You know what I mean? It's like, there's like everybody around me just wants to fucking buy that Rolls Royce, buy that condo, you know, have the Latino chicks over every single night, like,

Just party.

Just party, yeah, till you're 45. OK,

I'm ready to settle down now.

I love that.

I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to raise a family, somebody wanting to get married and stuff. I feel like this becomes so taboo. People don't do that shit no more.

Yes, independency has been popularized for generations, honestly. Especially dating back since mass incarceration and war on drugs and all that other shit got down. So it's gotten even worse now just because we got technology. So it's constantly in your face now. So yeah, it's glamorized, it's popularized. It's like a trophy or a badge of honor. Which is, you know what I'm saying, it was just a good thing. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that whatsoever. But yeah, I mean, that's just where we at with it. So.

Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like. It's kind of strange because we've kind of lived in this era for like, you know, the industrial era for about 150 something years. And there's been a lot of stuff that's come out of it, you know, especially how like writing has changed and music has changed and so many different things have changed. But it's like the independency I feel like exists because like life has definitely gotten harder to live. And like, even if you got a better opportunity of living here in the United States where it's more expensive and a little bit more complicated to like, just live. Has he got any medical conditions? Oh, good luck. Probably going to be down in a few years, but you still, You still crave those connections, you know, still wanting to be around other people, still like wanting to have those romantic relationships. And then like, just not being satisfied. Cause it's just nothing feels, doesn't feel real. You know, you keep on running into the same kind of shit

and you're like, it's not what I'm looking for. You know, you want something more real, something more tangible.

Sad when they say one has to take a step back and look in the mirror. You got a point there. Yeah, that's when change really starts. When you get tired of your own bullshit, that's when change really occurs. But it take a lot for some people to get to that point.

Well, I mean, I can imagine for your own self, you know, like, You've definitely been through a lot of that hardship and a lot of, you know, being able to pick yourself back on your own bootstraps. And, you know, it's easier said than done, right? But you've been able to make it work. I'm sure it's not been perfect,

but you figured it out. That's why we call this thing the Marathon.

24K, 24K

marathon. We ain't gonna sit here and portray this ultimate poise like we been had this shit figured out. Like, nah, we battle every emotion. We battle every emotion behind what we getting after right now. And the only distinction of quality between me and whoever else is going through this, already went through it, was finna go through it, is that you're not gonna quit.

No,

cause you can't. If I quit, I never did shit again, so that's definitely

not an option. I was talking to someone a bit earlier about this. You got this attitude of working that nine to five, just doing that job just to bring in the money, which is fine. Everybody's got to figure out a way to put bread on the table. There's something so disheartening about that. It's like you literally are given eight hours of your life doing something you don't want to do. You're only doing it because they're giving you money at the end of the week or every two weeks. And you tell yourself that it's not going to eat you up alive, and you keep going in there every single day. But guess what? I see you outside drinking. I

see you outside

smoking them cigarettes. You know what I'm saying? You could definitely find something that'll still pay the bills and still give you that drive every single day. Because again, it's your life. You're giving something to somebody that you can't take back. You can't return eight hours of somebody's life. You know, it's not Amazon Returns, bro.

Shit, and they replaced your ass in a heartbeat. Goddamn, they pushed Gunna shut up. Oh, yeah. That's why I'll be always keeping in mind, like, you still replace me, motherfucker.

Nah, they don't care. They don't know. They just care about being able to keep on bringing it. And that's why, like, again, you could definitely You could definitely find the middle ground. But I feel like it's not necessarily as clean cut and dry as people think. You can't just expect to just wake up one day and be like, OK, I'm going to change. And I'll figure this out in two weeks. It's not that simple. But the reality is, if you really want to make sure you're not wasting those eight hours or you're wasting your time,

yeah. Just being able to... We get 24 hours a day. You know what I'm saying? That's a long-ass time when you really think about it. Especially if you just sit down, completely still, in one spot for 24 hours. You'll see how long that motherfucker is. So it's like, shit, we got plenty of time. It's just what we devote our time to. So...

Yeah. And I don't know, like... They're, I think every single person figures out their own way of hustling, you know,

and

they're, you know, and sometimes, you know, you could beat yourself up, right? Like, you know, you're taking a day where you're kind of slow, you can't do that much shit, you know, like you're kind of resting, whatever. And you're like, fuck, I didn't do anything today. But then like, yo, you, you cleaned out the dishes, you made dinner, you know, like you, you took out the trash, you know, you did all this shit. You forget all the stuff that you do do. You just get caught up in that wind, like, I'm just not accomplishing whatever. It's like, you'll get there. You can't rush shit. I don't know. I could be completely wrong about this, but I feel like the more you push, the more you shove, man is sloppy as hell.

I feel that. Folks, just don't be patient. I just wanted to... Instant gratification. That's what people suffer from, instant gratification. Especially with technology nowadays. You think

it's social media to kind of blame for that kind of shit?

I mean, it's that, but even if you want to learn something, to find something out, you can find it, figure that out just like that. You know what I'm saying? Utilize your phone. Damn, well, I need some groceries, but my car, I ain't got no car, man. I ain't even got to go nowhere. I can select everything I want, have my groceries delivered right there to me. Like, you literally, bro, I don't even, bro, I don't go, like, I don't go shopping. Like, if I need, like, toiletries and stuff like anything I might, if I need it right then and there, then I'll hit up like Walmart or something like that. But if that's not the case, bro, I'll order everything off Amazon, bro. Literally, from toilet paper to, again, laundry detergent, like everything off Amazon, bro. It's like it's like man you'd be

you'd be stopping by and you're like you notice there's like a Best Buy sign you're just

like

Like, why do you still exist? Like, I

can

order half the shit off of Amazon, you know what I mean? Like, all this, I can have it by tomorrow, and it's not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna have to deal with your goddamn Geek Squad and their goddamn

bullshit. Yeah. You must need it right then and there. That's the only reason why the store can be convenient. You can get it right then and there. You don't mind waiting a day or two? Promise.

It's hilarious because I got I got two friends of mine they live out in Bedford style in Brooklyn and

I

They literally live in the most expensive part of New York City. I mean, Manhattan's more expensive. They're just ordering shit off of Amazon and DoorDash. I'm just like, yo, let's go outside. I went outside with them. I hadn't been back in New York in so long. And I'm just looking around. And they're just bored as shit, sweating. They're like, when the hell are we getting to the train station? I'm like, look around. Look at the freaking architecture. sit and they're like and then we're like talking about getting food okay we're like doordash at home i'm like no let's go there you're like what do you mean you want to go there it's like it's a walk and then a train i'm like i don't care let's go there and they're like are you sure and i'm like yes It's like, I totally get what you're saying. It's like, it's so freaking convenient. It's like, oh, do I want to leave my house? You know?

Man, COVID-19 is the result of all of that. COVID-19 is the result of all of that. Man, that pandemic changed the game, boy. It made everything... Innovative. How can we still make money without, you know what I'm saying, physically having to be there or people having to physically pull up? You know what I'm saying? We still make history works.

Yeah, like the same way. It's kind of hilarious where, you know, when you look at like people reading books, like most people don't read books. They listen to audiobooks. You know, it's like, wait, hang on. So most people, listen to somebody read the book for them, which like I totally get that like very convenient, you know, especially like if you're just like walking around or like you're heading to work or something, but that's kind of amazing. Like that's the level of convenience that we have now, yo, that like you can have somebody read you a book like 500 years ago. Like that's what a king did like as a peasant. You didn't have that shit. You didn't even know what fucking letters were. You know, you

just...

It's

crazy.

Yeah, just brought back to just storytelling, you know what I'm saying? Like back in grade school, elementary school, kindergarten, you know what I'm saying? We got story time, teacher for the reader. Run before nap time. That's all that is. That's another thing with Amazon now, it's a new future. They just launched it. You can turn any of your books into audio books, and they use AI to create

it.

You know what, bro? Select your voice that you can choose from. I ain't explored it yet, but I look through it, but I ain't tested it out yet, to say the least. But I should try it out with one of those books and just see how it does. It is. It saves time as well versus trying to find somebody to record it, or you taking the time to record it yourself. Now, if you got all the equipment to record it yourself, then for sure, that's easy, man. But I ain't got no equipment, so I had to go find a studio, book studio time, do all that. And that cost bread. That part, too. Yeah, exactly. So you know, you got to be efficient when you go in there. I'll be hateful. I paid a lot of money to book this studio, and man, y'all ain't got nothing prepared. Y'all just wasting money.

Yeah, they be charging by the hour, you know.

Engineer don't care, exactly, because he's going to get paid regardless. So he

can come here and play around if he wants to. Gone are the days of just paying for session, you know? It's like, come on, man. Come on, like, a little respect, you know? Maybe like a 90s special. And he's like, nah, bro. We don't do 90s specials here. No session. You paying per hour, all right? You better save every goddamn millisecond. No, you know what, like, that's the truth too. You know, a lot of the times, like things kind of circle around money, but I feel like there's always kind of workarounds around it. You know, you can kind of get pretty clever and smart in order to get things to be able to work. Cause in the end of the day, if you want to be the one that want to put it out and you want to be able to want to put in the effort. somebody's gotta do it and somebody's

gonna be you want anything done right you gotta do it yourself

exactly yeah yo we have been like talking man for like the past 50 minutes and like um we haven't mentioned your publication because like you got a bunch of stuff that's going on here you got like your social media your publication you got coaching you got All the jazz. You want to break this down? Where can these people find you?

What stuff

are you available? What's

new? The best search engine we got, Google. Google Chancellor K Jackson. Everything you need will pop up from my website, my social media accounts, other podcast interviews I've done, my books, which are available on my website, as well as Amazon. So yeah, any aspiring authors? Google me, find me on social media, you'll be able to track my website through there and sign up for a 30 minute free consultation. We can tap in, brainstorm a little bit, see if we'd be a good fit for each other. I got courses available, on hands coaching. I got a new e-book dropping very, very soon on the 21st. So yeah, man, y'all go. I got it. You need it, I got it. Every which way, you're trying to go number one, tap in with your boy.

There's only one way up. There's multiple ways up, but you know what I mean. Yeah. A lot of different routes. Man, I gotta say, I really appreciate you spending the time. For anybody that's not aware, we had some really difficult audio issues, but we chugged through and we made it work.

There's a will, there's a way now.

There's a will, there's

a way!

Come on now. Love it. Um, i'm gonna make sure to anybody I will leave links below Unfortunately, there's not gonna be a youtube or rumble video But there will be for sub stack and then audio and everything will be available at lost in the groove pod so with

that

Motherfuckers, we will catch you on the next one. All right. Peace

out